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Olympic greats don't support Games boycott
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23520871-5014197,00.html
OLYMPIC greats Ron Clarke,
Duncan Armstrong and Mark Stockwell
have strongly opposed an athletes' boycott
of the Beijing Games,
saying sport and politics should never mix.
Armstrong, a two-time Olympic swimmer who won gold and silver medals at the 1988 Seoul Games, said he would "never" support a boycott, except when the safety of athletes was at risk.
"The Olympic Games has been a scapegoat for political agendas probably since 4000BC," said Armstrong, who will be an Olympic commentator for the Seven Network.
"There are plenty of other ways we can leverage China as a nation,
whether it be trade or goods embargoes, to make a difference in Tibet."
The world's media is going to be focused on China
and if there is a full contingent of athletes,
it will bring greater pressure
to bear on the Chinese Government," he said.
"A boycott is a missed opportunity to put China under the spotlight."
Clarke, the Gold Coast mayor lauded as Australia's greatest distance runner, also rejected boycott calls.
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WITH respect, I totally, categorically, definitely, decisively and absolutely disagree on that news or authors or anyone. Here’s my reason. If a man or a woman (human) get sick for what ever reason and needs attention to cure or solve that problem and anyone says oh! This is only a foot problem or hand problem or just a headache and disregard it, I don’t think it is wise or in other words inappropriate in respect of the man or woman’s health. When a human is sick and needs attention no matter what the cause or where the problem is, it needs to be fix for the sake of the dignity of the fellow sick human after all he/she is just a human just like us differentiated by their unfortunate circumstances or situation. One cannot say I respect and regard the sick person but it didn’t matter to me because it is only a foot problem or a knee problem. ALL sickness related to human is seen as a human issue. Just as the athletes need their rights to participate or not to participate, equally, the repression on humans need to be address in any way shape or form. IF and WHEN the current 21st century humans have the mentality of ignoring rightful and noble things, the world we live in is not worthy to live anymore. I sincerely hope the 22nd or the 23rd century humans does not have this kind of “selfish” mentality. No wonder the world is full of problems when many are “selfish” looking for their own good.
New mature and wise mentality are needed to solved many human’s woes of today’s time/era and “mentality” plays a crucial and important part.
In other words I do not accept nor will I acknowledge the notion of separation of “sports” and “politics” for both are humans’ problem and related to humans and should be dealt, acknowledge and respect by the humans including athletes. Are the athletes not humans or without kind hearts or compassionate understanding?
Just because it doesn’t happen to us doesn’t mean we have to ignore or separate the issue. Just because we are athletes or lawyers or doctors or noble laureates or engineers we must not degrade the value of human’s dignity no matter who, where the suffering is. We all are humans and everyone who has understanding, compassion, kind and unselfish should accept the fact that a little ripple can effect the entire pond.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/04/10/
Nobel_laureate_withdraws_from_torch_relay/
linsi wrote:
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Olympic greats don't support Games boycott
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23520871-
5014197,00.html
OLYMPIC greats Ron Clarke,
Duncan Armstrong and Mark Stockwell
have strongly opposed an athletes' boycott
of the Beijing Games,
saying sport and politics should never mix.
Armstrong, a two-time Olympic swimmer who won gold and silver medals at the 1988 Seoul Games, said he would "never" support a boycott, except when the safety of athletes was at risk.
"The Olympic Games has been a scapegoat for political agendas probably since 4000BC," said Armstrong, who will be an Olympic commentator for the Seven Network.
"There are plenty of other ways we can leverage China as a nation,
whether it be trade or goods embargoes, to make a difference in Tibet."
The world's media is going to be focused on China
and if there is a full contingent of athletes,
it will bring greater pressure
to bear on the Chinese Government," he said.
"A boycott is a missed opportunity to put China under the spotlight."
Clarke, the Gold Coast mayor lauded as Australia's greatest distance runner, also rejected boycott calls.
read article in details
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23520871-
5014197,00.html
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WITH respect, I totally, categorically, definitely, decisively and absolutely disagree on that news or authors or anyone. Here’s my reason. If a man or a woman (human) get sick for what ever reason and needs attention to cure or solve that problem and anyone says oh! This is only a foot problem or hand problem or just a headache and disregard it, I don’t think it is wise or in other words inappropriate in respect of the man or woman’s health. When a human is sick and needs attention no matter what the cause or where the problem is, it needs to be fix for the sake of the dignity of the fellow sick human after all he/she is just a human just like us differentiated by their unfortunate circumstances or situation. One cannot say I respect and regard the sick person but it didn’t matter to me because it is only a foot problem or a knee problem. ALL sickness related to human is seen as a human issue.
hi miramar,
thanks for making this issue so alive, may i remind everyone that this artcle posted is for all of us to discuss, in other words this is "for the sake of just discussing"---
Getting down to the point, the olympic greats spoke as professional "athletes"
talking of being a professional- according to the thoughts of the article may i ask you miramar,...
1.does red cross serve humanity according to ideology?
red cross is an international organization that cares for the sick or wounded or homeless in wartime (it has a badge of nutrality)
let's get down to athlete definition:
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits,
such as strength, agility, and endurance,
that are necessary for physical exercise or sports,
especially those performed in competitive contexts.
so my number two question is:
2. Does an olympic athlete compete only to countries he desires?
China is hosting the 2008 olympic games, but because this country
has been poorly measured about human rights by us..my third question is
3- Why allow such country to host olympic games in the first place?
Who then are responsible for Chinas status in the 21st century?
Now the article which i posted expressed the firm belief of professional
olympic athletes, in terms of profession, did they violate a rule
as far as olympic games are concerned?
My answer is NO, they are athletes and their business is to
play skillfully and compete-
If i am a gold medalist in a swimming competition and i have the
capacity to win again ( and bring home the bacon to my homeland)
- will i say no-no, it is China --?
am i acting as a professional olympic athlete?
4.Yao Ming is an example of a chinese who plays for the NBA
and with the current situation between America and China
regarding disputes about human rights, does Yao Ming serve
his profession as a professional athlete correctly?
5.Who then plays politics? Where is the drawing line?
After answering my queries, maybe our discussions will go further
than just illustrating illness-
on the other hand people play politics in all areas of life
i agree with you-
but the article i posted is primarily concerned about the idea
of how olympic greats think- how a professional athlete thinks.
regards,
linsi
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Yes, but there may be sometime politics involved in red cross. To me all things are inter-related and as long as there are humans there will be humanity. It reminds me of my favorite scientist Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity. Even the entire universe is intertwine and inter-related.
Yes, it depends on that individual. There are those who concentrate only on gaining medals for their countries and then there are those who includes the dignity and value of other humans and take into account.
Yes, I agree. China is not appropriate nor suitable nation to host the Olympics either in air quality/health reason or human rights reason.
The world leaders and their governments, the Olympic committee, EU, US and the UN are responsible for China's status in the 21st century.
You made your point linsi. To me gaining a little piece of medal is not worth while in retrospect of disregard and downsize the importance of the dignity and value of humans who are unfortunate and suffering. The price of gold or silver or bronze medals can be measure but the dignity and value of humanity is priceless.
Yao Ming did his part and his agenda and his way. My way is to magnify/amplify the importance of the dignity of humans no matter how small or minority they may be or how remotely they live. Basically we are all the same species and we must respect the same as we respect the wealthy and fortunate people.
To me there is no line drawn. There is no line between sports and politics or health and happiness for they all are inter-related. This goes back to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity where all things are intertwine together. By the way I want to present an unrelated topic…………What do people think of UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) ???
Of course people play politics and so is sports for all these are inter-related as humanity hub.
In conclusion, the so called “professional athletes” are also human and this is the truth and the fact. Being "professional" is one thing and "disregard" to other humans is another.
Regards, respect and retrospective reasoning,
Miramar.
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Miramar wrote:
Yes, but there may be sometime politics involved in red cross. To me all things are inter-related and as long as there are humans there will be humanity. It reminds me of my favorite scientist Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity. Even the entire universe is intertwine and inter-related.
Agreed, Miramar, we are all inter-related, no doubt about it, but there is a thing which is "seperate"- "professionalism in terms of work" and "personal agenda" which should be outside work-
even nature suggests "seperation" like the heavens and the earth,
like fire and water, oil and water which cannot go together, but harmoniously
flow to define life itself, hope you get me-
what i am trying to say is the message of the article i posted
putting emphasis on how the olympic greats stood their positions
as professional competitors in the name of the game not in the
name of "human rights abuse" because they served their purpose as athletes.
Don't they know issues about countries? of course they do-
but they were ambassadors of the olympic games
Yes, it depends on that individual. There are those who concentrate only on gaining medals for their countries and then there are those who includes the dignity and value of other humans and take into account.
I think when we say that playing in the beijing olympics is an athlete's
profession, does that mean they donot have the heart for tibet and darfur?
i think we could never judge them, as we refuse to judge Yao Ming, i for one personally donot agree with "enslaving other people in the name of rights and freedom, but respect the olympic games does that mean i donot care? if other say yes, then i was judged wrongly-
Yes, I agree. China is not appropriate nor suitable nation to host the Olympics either in air quality/health reason or human rights reason.
The world leaders and their governments, the Olympic committee, EU, US and the UN are responsible for China's status in the 21st century.
therefore if you say that world leaders, olympic commitee , EU, UN and US are responsible for China's status and implying that they are indeces
of China's hosting the Olympics then who now plays politics?
Let China host and boycott later ? In the first place, China has never changed
its position in matters of ideology and political set-ups, they were the ones
who opened-up due to the free-world's clamour, and these free societies
gave their permission to Beijing, now they cry " wolf?"
You made your point linsi. To me gaining a little piece of medal is not worth while in retrospect of disregard and downsize the importance of the dignity and value of humans who are unfortunate and suffering. The price of gold or silver or bronze medals can be measure but the dignity and value of humanity is priceless.
Yao Ming did his part and his agenda and his way. My way is to magnify/amplify the importance of the dignity of humans no matter how small or minority they may be or how remotely they live. Basically we are all the same species and we must respect the same as we respect the wealthy and fortunate people.
please donot just say " little piece of medal miramar, that "medal you are refering, is gold, silver and bronze which governments and athletes invested a lot with their lives,as a matter of fact those "pieces of medals" are the future of the athlete's families and themselves, we cannot judge their hearts in matters of values for other people, i for one never experienced putting on their "shoes" ..respet? "respect" then, we must learn to seperate things that should be- ..
torch is for olympic games not China
athletes are professional game competitors doing their jobs , China must
be dealt accordingly with other political matters, and if the free world wanted
a total "slap" against China then do it in terms of sanctions, economy, and many more-
To me there is no line drawn. There is no line between sports and politics or health and happiness for they all are inter-related. This goes back to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity where all things are intertwine together.
I agree about inter-relationship, but i strongly believe lines drawn, there is such a thing as "seperation" like the seperation of the church from state, still
working together, intertwined forming a society..and i illustrated it already above, there is a line-drawn, that works harmoniouly in terms of defining things to place it in respective orders .
By the way I want to present an unrelated topic…………What do people think of UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) ???
Of course people play politics and so is sports for all these are inter-related as humanity hub.
In conclusion, the so called “professional athletes” are also human and this is the truth and the fact. Being "professional" is one thing and "disregard" to other humans is another.
Regards, respect and retrospective reasoning,
Miramar.
regards
linsi
a vey interesting exchange miramar ^_^
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Yes, I agree with you linsi. It is a very interesting exchange. I also respect you for you are an intelligent, understanding and mature lady. I do want to response to some of your statements.
even nature suggests "seperaetion" like the heavens and the earth,
like fire and water, oil and water which cannot go together, but harmoniously
flow to define life itself, hope you get me-
what i am trying to say is the message of the article i posted
putting emphasis on how the olympic greats stood their positions
as professional competitors in the name of the game not in the
name of "human rights abuse" because they served their purpose as athletes.
Don't they know issues about countries? of course they do-
but they were ambassadors of the olympic games
Yes, they are the ambassadors of their respective countries. That is the very reason I am arguing about. Being ambassadors mean they representing their nations and they are the symbols. Conducting games as usual in the name of Olympic knowingly the host is a murderer, knowingly the place is where innocent lives were being murdered is absurd and wrong to me. When a person did something wrong unknowingly it can be argue as not guilty or innocent but when a person did it wrong knowingly or aware of THEN he or she is as guilty as hell. Look all the people ask the world leaders is to acknowledge the suffering of this unpleasant killings and boycott the games. No body is asking to invade China. Just an acknowledgement and gesture by boycotting these murderers.
please donot just say " little piece of medal miramar, that "medal you are refering, is gold, silver and bronze which governments and athletes invested a lot with their lives,as a matter of fact those "pieces of medals" are the future of the athlete's families and themselves, we cannot judge their hearts in matters of values for other people, i for one never experienced putting on their "shoes" ..respet? "respect" then, we must learn to seperate things that should be- ..
I understand linsi. The athletes gives their lives or injured during the process of achieving success and pride for their nations or families and friends willingly, passionately and knowingly. As for the Tibetans they gives their lives by the unfair and injustices of the occupants forcefully and unwillingly. If a woman makes relationship with a man willingly this is called love but if a woman had to make relationship with a man unwillingly/forcefully it is called rape. There’s a big difference.
By the way do you or any reader knows there are tens of thousands of UFO sightings around the world?
Regards and Respect
Miramar.
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