Dear Thunderbolts,
When I said the deadlock must be broken, what I really meant was to find a way from the present impasse we are in, and to think deeply to move forward for the sake of the Country. Two Wrongs do not Make One Right. Two wrongs are still wrong.
At present, with Darling Prima Donna of the Western World believes that she is the only savior that can bring Democracy to Myanmar. To get her way at any cost, she has supported sanctions and had urged in 1996 (Year of Tourism), Tourists to stay away giving reasons that it will only entrenched the rule of SPDC. After her release from house arrest she pulled out NLD from the NC. This shows how sort sighted she was. Though she is very Educated (Oxford) she lacks knowledge & insight of how complex Myanmar internal problem is. We have about 135 sub- ethnic groups
General Aung San reluctantly accepted the inclusion of the 10-year clause to get over with the 1947 Constitution, so that Myanmar Independence can be on schedule for 4th January 1948. Immediately after Independence we were faced with multi-colored insurgencies and of course the Cold War period. U Nu was unable to keep the Union together so Gen Ne Win stepped in and later drafted the 1974 Constitution. This was again annulled after 1988 incident. It is most essential & important to have a Constitution. It may not be a prefect one as one might prefer, but we are moving in the right direction. The equation is, Zero value is much better than – (Minus) One value, and of course, Value One is a lot better than Zero value.

Could there be a sinister agenda by certain Powers (Geopolitics) and put in a Puppet Government in our Country - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7072.
We need to look wisely at past happenings around the World –
1. Ngo Dinh Diem went to US convincing the Administration that he will be best suited person for Vietnam. Soon after, he was deposed by a coup led by Durong Van Minh (Big Minh) in 1956 after self-immolation of a Buddhist monk. Monks became a powerful force but lost their luster after a couple of elections. During U Nu’s government, Young Monks Association led Sayadaw U Thuriya & U Kuthala (Mandalay) were also powerful. I think monks should stay away from politics no matter how well meaning maybe. Theravada Buddhist monks differ totally from Rev Desmond Tu Tu of South Africa, Cardinal Sims of Philippines and Dalai Lama of Tibet. We respect monk in saffron robes and it is very hard to differentiate between genuine and bogus ones. When you look at pictures of demonstrations, monks are in their 30a & 40s. I think they were exploited by certain groups.
2. Congo – Patrice Lumumba, he was assassinated and replaced by Seko Mobuto for Western Powers interest. - http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/lumu-j16.shtml
3. Lawfully & democratically elected President of Chile, President Salvador Allende too was assassinated during a coup supported by US and was replaced General Pinochet.
4. Popularly elected President of Persia (Iran) Dr, Mohammad Mossaddeq too was disposed because of Oil - A stooge Shah Reza Pahlevi was installed to serve Western interest, thus how things turned out in present Iran. -http://www.iranchamber.com/history/mmosaddeq/mohammad_mosaddeq.php
5. In 1965, after the killings of Six Army Generals - Gen. Suharto took power in Indonesia,. http://www.greenleft.org.au/1991/39/21.
6. More on Indonesia & Outsider involvements - http://www.geocities.com/gmni_jatim/Linkpresidensukarno.htm
7. Foreign Powers get involve in other Sovereign Country, thus destabilized the Region. In places like Palestine, Sudan, DR Congo, Kosovo etc have not solved one iota but have caused a lot of death & mayhem. During this sensitive period of referendum and election, it is best to keep Outsiders out. By the People of Myanmar and for the People of Myanmar. Do we need to get prior approval of Neo-Colonialists? They get involve to serve their interest only.
These articles and links are not in reply directly to your post but for the benefit of others who may have over looked the International Political Landscape.

I was challenged by one of the participants in the forum to confront him one to one. The forum is neither a contest nor a fight venue where you slug out each other to get a prize. It’s better to ignore him and not denigrate oneself. Swallow is a small migrating little bird with long slender wings & a forked tail (tongue). As this little ‘Nan Pyi Suut’ is in the US, he appears to emulate America’s Ball Eagle and think he rules the Sky. He can yell, shout or jump down from top of the Statue of Liberty or the State Empire building for all I care to prove he is a Super Brat.
PS. Mokehinkha - Do not be intimidated by this a diminutive little ‘Nan Pyi Suet’ bird. You are larger than him in Intelligent & Wisdom.
Regards,
I am Polaris bright as ever.

Dear Polaris - sensible one that you posted, Thanks!


I’ve been silence for months, now silence has been broken by someone superb.
Many of those oppositions incld a thousand clone names have their core business to do here so-called pathetic shouting, look nan pyi sout! Talking about facts was completely diassociated from them, rather shouting do-a-yay makes them so much happy in their entire life.
We may not agree with thunderbolt for all time, however thunderbolt had many good points even people from opposition could see this, no doubt - very clear! Ko polaris – in your case: you touched the root of reality and beyond. Good on you, keep posting kind of such realities. You did it again!<br><br>Post edited by: mg than, at: 2008/03/20 03:19

Dear Mg Than,
Thank you for the comment. As in my Profile, I like to have a friendly chat and discussions. It is a healthy exercise to exchange views and salient points concerning future of Myanmar. We could learn from each other to improve ourselves, to be well informed, thus enable us to make informed decisions. We need to get away from tunnel vision syndrome Buddha taught not to follow blindly even to his teachings, not to follow blindly what's written in books and not to follow anyone(Sangha included) too. Use your wisdom!!
With sincere regards,
I am Polaris

Dear Polaris,

You want to talked about deadlock, you meant to find a way to move forward. I agree that two wrong do not make one right. Brig, Gen Kyaw Hsan’s meeting with Mr Gambari explained everything. Whether we accept it or not is another matter. Some people think it was reasonable to accept , his explanation or the New Constitution. If Ma Su Kyi does not see it as, at least reasonable, the dead lock will be there we can not go forward.

To further my discussion, I would like to bring back Ma Su Kyi’s vow at her mother’s funeral on the 2nd January 1989 . Whether it was her political catch phrase or political catch words you decide. Words and actions should go together. Read the small prints. read the lines between . You can analyse any way you want . You can also argue that Ma Su Kyi at the moment has no political power how can she put her words into action.

“ I vowed to stay in my motherland and work unceasingly with all nationalities. In accordance with the guideline laid down by my father; to maintain the sovereignty of our country to bring developments to all nationalities and to establish democracy.”
Who wrote that vow for her I have no idea. All politicians have their speech writers picking right words to attract the people, to say what the people ant to hear. According to democracy, that is important. But, I ‘m afraid it is not my cup of tea Polaris.

I am a Myanmar born and brought up in Myanmar. I take the interest in Myanmar wherever I am living, because Myanmar is my country, Myanmars are my people. I know about my country and I know about my people. I have my dreams for Myanmars. I am not going to shout like Martin Luther King JR. had shouted “ I had my dreams”

Why we cannot go for ward is simply because of mistrust. Mistrust is everywhere Polaris, nobody trust nobody. Nobody has any confidence we lost our confidence in our self , we lost our self respect. We Myanmars are blinded with ideas ,from left right and centre. We are bombarded with foreign isms. We do not know what is what , we do not know where to go or we don’t know where we are going. If I’d say we Myanmars are the lost tribe, it would be too much. I think Ma Su Kyi herself is lost without her good advisors around. May be that was the idea of SPDC. Never mind about that. The fact is Ma Su Kyi is not blind, she is not deaf she is not dumb. That is a good thing.

May I ask you , what do you see the difference between that vow and what SPDC is doing? Or what are they in common? If you say there is no difference or they all are in common. Then why can’t they work together is the next question. Then why can’t one be happy when other is doing as she wanted. It may not be the way she wanted but the goal is the same.

Let’s pick and pack , like most people in the forum do. Let’s look at it from the negative side , or the opposite side. NLD as opposition never see anything positive of what SPDC is doing. So I am going to look at it fron the negative side of what NLD is doing. Is that fair enough?

In her first line, first part she said to stay in motherland , when did she realised to stay in mother land? Where was she staying before that date? Where was she born? Who were her parents?

First line second part to work unceasingly with all nationalities. The past leaders of Myanmar, U Nu, U Ne Win . SLORC and today SPDC working with all the nationalities in Myanmar in many ways in every ways . Is it true or not?. Even the blind man see it . Why can’t she see it. Why does she think she is so special?

Second line, first part “ In accordance with the guideline laid down by my father;” what was the guide line Ko Aung San had laid down? With due respect to Ko Aung San, looking at him from the positive side 1947 constitution which he drafted said it all.

Second line , second part , which was “ to maintain the sovereignty of our country.”
Do you honestly think that 1947 constitution is the assurance, a guarantee for Union of Burma (Myanmar ) to be a sovereign nation. A few months after the independence , because of that constitution . The sovereignty of Union of Burma (Myanmar) was about to lose. If only Myanma Tatmadaw and it leader had no sense sovereignty of Union of Burma (Myanmar ) would be a thing of the past.
Last not the least, “ to bring developments to all nationalities and to establish democracy.”

Third line first part, “ to bring developments”. It was true there were not enough developments in Myanmar. Doesn’t she know it was because of the insurgencies born out of that l947 constitution which her father was partly responsible? Doesn’t she know revenues and resources, time , money were wasted instead of spending them to develop the whole nation , these monies had to spent to equip Tatmadaw to defend the nation from enemies foreign and domestic. You can not fight with your bare hands because they were not fighting with their bare hands either. They had their suppliers . When we talk about insurgencies we must not forget about the Communist and White Chinese either.

Today, border areas, where most of the ethnic nationalities are developed , literally speaking Bamars and others who are in land, in the towns and cities are starving.
What does Ma Su Kyi think the leaders of Myanmar in the past or at present are doing?

Third line second part. which was to establish democracy. In my view, democracy comes in different forma What kind of democracy she wants to establish in Myanmar , I am not sure , she did not elaborate either but everybody assumed it is western style democracy.

You know very well Myanmar was a democratic country , in fact it was totally western style multi party democracy. We have seen it with our very own eyes it did not work due to many reasons, mainly because of 1947 constitution which encouraged uisurgencies.
While talking about insurgencies we cannot for get the Communists either. It could also be said because of Myanmars ways of life, including culture, tradition, custom blah, blah, blah. Most Myanmars are Buddhist and Buddhism is interpreted by some people as socialism or communism. sharing, caring this and that. Let us not bring fathers of socilism such as Socrates or Aristotle, Marx or Engel (spelling)

Now, let’s talk again about Ko Aung San’s guideline. Deny it if she wants. His guideline for Myanmar’s economy was SOCIALIS STATE. All other leaders after him declared it clearly to the world . Does Ma Su Kyi know that, when she was referring to her father’s guideline. Is she going to make Myanmar a Socialist country, will she clearing declare that she is to establish. Does she mean to break Union of Myanmar into small little countries like Russian Federation or Commonwealth of Independent States? According to 1847 constitution and do we have to assumed that was her father’s guideline as well? If that will be the case, what the hell was she talking about her father guideline and SOVEREIGNTY?

As I have said above these are the picks and packs depending on how we want to understand her.

Today whatever SPDC is doing whether it was her father‘s guide line or even it is her own guideline SPDC is going the right w ay going to the right direction. Why can‘t she look at it from positive side and be happy about it. She has not one finger to lift and her will are being done.

New Constitution is going to be the assurance, going to be the guarantee. In black and white and it is in ritten language.

Nice talking to you,

Thunderbolts.

Dear Thunderbolts,

No. It was not a good bye. You write so well. You clarify so many points very cleverly. At present when I read your messages I have no point to contest or to disagree.

Now Polaris is really doing well. You all two are really posting the interesting messages.

I posted the message of Dr NWM because he is a little different from others at the moment. But as always, when someone is different from habitual stand or sayings of the opposition, people start to look at him bizarrely. Yes some of his saying are not clear-cut, but still I think interesting and more supportable than NO group or Boycott group.

Actually, among the opponents or so call democracy activists, Dr NWM, Zarni , Aung Naing OO and Kyaw Yin Hlaing are said to be Third Forces – some told me like that. But as you see they are somewhat wavering when they tell their opinions publicly. They are neither pro-Yes nor pro-No, in my point of view they have no clear vision. This is the problem of the Myanmar politicians – when it is to give clear answer or clear vision, the most progressive (let’s say that way) politicians start to sway. For me under the present situation our country need the good politicians who place their interests before all, such as their personal interests, preference in group or party and personality etc..

I really hope as you said we Myanmars are used to be smart enough – time will tell us.
But as far as I communicate with Myanmar friends, many are not thinking smartly at this important time of our country.

“Don’t say you do not care whichever group to take power”

I think that I misstated my phrase – like you (and I think I have said already on this forum too) I would not like a political group whoever they are which will be puppet of outside powers to take state power, sure.

With regard to Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, I really feel disappointed of her when she said that she had found “senseless” the questions asked by Minister Aung Kyi such as “What is co-operation?”!
She should have known this question was not senseless and Minister Aung kyi was just trying to sense concrete offers back from her. She made lost the great opportunity for talk with General Than Shwe.

What I really like to tell those who want to vote “No” or “Boycott” the referendum is endorsing “NO vote” or “boycott” will only endorse Daw Aung San Suu Kyi’s ego and the opposition will take it as an approval of their wrong actions and will not give a solution to break the deadlock – that’s what we ordinary people need it.

I know people who will vote “No” but not for endorsing the opposition but for opposing to a no-democratic constitution (yet here again democracy is something to build and we can not build full democracy in a short time)

I agree also that SPDC is doing well, they have at least managed to get cease-fire with many ethnic groups even thought all sort of sanctions imposed on our country – the opposition should see it as a good point of the SPDC.

The political groups like the 88 generation group or NLD youths have been treated well by western embassies, western diplomats, western journalists (not to mention the external input and help form the exile groups) , there fore they are doing “feel good” politics and “oppose all to whatever SPDC does” - and they forget to see the reality of the situation. They could not reach to make land mark policies with fresh ideas and new way of doing politics. Furthermore they could not overcome the personality of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi. It is a pity that they have not come up with good ideas, otherwise the deadlock would be broken much earlier than now.

Nevertheless, I think and believe that with the approval of the new constitution, we will break the political deadlock and we will be able to start working for the Nation Building – Rebuilding of our country - we all are waiting for so long time.


You have asked me what I think of Minister Kyaw Hsan’s sayings to Gambari:

Honestly Minister Kyaw Hsan got his points – he got his message across.
Everybody saw the answers to all questions in his reply – clearly.
He pointed out also that the UN must not be biased. Most of all how much the SPDC
outsmarted the oxford-educated Daw Aung San Suu kyi politically and very intelligently. We are a small country but we can defend ourself outside interference.

Thanks and regards,

Dear MHK,

Nice to hear from you and glad to know you are well.

Talking is always nice, and it is nice to talk. Discussions are necessary , debates are desirable. That what we Myanmars are lack of. I wish them to know. I want them to know how important they are how essential they are, to tal. to discuss or to debate. If only they know that , They can do a lot of good things for the country and the people they said they care. If only they knew the value of these they will have respect to one another and they won’t be looking at each bizarrely. They can share and do alot of things together.

In that sense , we Myanmar have a long way to go. But we cannot stop. What we are discussing is not directly talking to them, but by reading they can pick up a thing or two from these discussions and make good use for them. A jar of honey is made out of drops of honey MHK.

Every one is not the same. They are different, they have to be different. This is the nature, we must accept it. What is not clear, can be explained later, we need to talk.

In this case of Myanmar or any other nation, there will always be “ undecided “ those who cannot make up their minds or Don‘t Knows“ “ It is always better to be undecided or don‘t knows than making a mistakes. Which we all have to regret later. Myanmar is not the only country. To avoid these “ undecided “ and “ don’t knows”.

I am suggesting to digest the issue (Constitution) so that to be able to make up their minds. Because It is our rights to vote , it is the human right that we are fighting for. And when this right is actually given to us willingly or not, we don’t want to exercise that right to vote, we want to exercise to make a choice as a right not to vote. Then what are we fighting for? That in my view is not fair to ourselves. Not fair to others as well. Because one vote of yours or mine will decide the future of Myanmar and its people. If we don’t vote, you and I will be accused for not being fair on others 52 million of them or on Myanmar.

If you don’t mind, I would like to correct the following sentence of yours , “ For me under the present situation our country need the good politicians who place their interests before all, such as their personal interests, preference in group or party and personality etc..”

“Our country needs the good politicians “ , that is clear enough. But “ who place their interest before all“ My understanding is not very good to that paragraph. If you care to explain I would be grateful. But it doesn’t matter , it must be a simple mistake . Because I think there may be some words missing in the sentence. Should it be “ who not place or who does not place - - - ” With those missing words, the paragraph is more meaningful. I will understand more.

Well, MHK, what can we say. The names you mentioned, they may have had their own experience along their long journeys, we don’t know. Through their experience, they may be talking . Another thing is where they are at the moment. Their environment plays a very good part, it can influence them. If they cannot change their environment, I am sure their environment will change them. We have to know that and give than that respect and that credit.

But also to let them realise that we are in different time now. Things are changing not as much as the way we like to, but they are changing for sure. It is our duty to make it for the better , not for the worse, one inch by one inch, don’t you think? We need to change with the time.

Myanmars saying is “ Tanay Talan BaGan Be Ywe. ” take a step by step, Bagan will stillbe there and you will be there. Universal equivalence to that saying is " Roam was not built in a day “ is that right? It took over two hundred years for the US to be like this, still need to do many more as times changes.

MHK, you and I and some of us Myanmars who are abroad in the developed world . I don’t think any of us will go back and live in Myanmar for good, till we die. Lets be honest about it. But we have Myanmar in our mind every second of the minutes. As we are living we are experiencing bad things as well as good things , negative and positive things.

Who know more about Myanmars than any oyther people , because we are Myanmars. If only we can share these good and bad experience, these positives and negative things without elaborating or exaggeration, back to our people of Myanmar as they are, Myanmars can and will adjust themselves , that much they are smart MHK, believe it without any doubt.

But as you already know, Myanmars are conditioned to do everything slow. Simple things difficult and difficult impossible. That is where and when some people got frustrated. Any leader, may it be Ma Su Kyi herself cannot push the people of Myanmar in a hurry. I said it many times. She is too fast, people cannot follow her with the speed she would like. Why do you think Myanmar is left behind? Among things, no leaders of Myanmar could take the people with them as fast as they wanted to. You cannot put all the blames on the leaders alone. For Myanmar every time is important, every hour every minutes and every second.

Well, MHK I have spoken to Ma Su Kyi before she was detained. I asked her what her plans are for the future. She said she could not tell me, because that will be telling. What so secret about nation’s affairs. What so secret about the people’s affairs. She was so secretive, was she planning to invite foreign powers to invade Myanmar ? May be had no pear MHK,

Nice to hear from you and glad to know you are well.

Talking is always nice, and it is nice to talk. Discussions are necessary , debates are desirable. That what we Myanmars are lack of. I wish them to know. I want them to know how important they are how essential they are, to tal. to discuss or to debate. If only they know that , They can do a lot of good things for the country and the people they said they care. If only they knew the value of these they will have respect to one another and they won’t be looking at each bizarrely. They can share and do alot of things together.

In that sense , we Myanmar have a long way to go. But we cannot stop. What we are discussing is not directly talking to them, but by reading they can pick up a thing or two from these discussions and make good use for them. A jar of honey is made out of drops of honey MHK.

Every one is not the same. They are different, they have to be different. This is the nature, we must accept it. What is not clear, can be explained later, we need to talk.

In this case of Myanmar or any other nation, there will always be “ undecided “ those who cannot make up their minds or Don‘t Knows“ “ It is always better to be undecided or don‘t knows than making a mistakes. Which we all have to regret later. Myanmar is not the only country. To avoid these “ undecided “ and “ don’t knows”.

I am suggesting to digest the issue (Constitution) so that to be able to make up their minds. Because It is our rights to vote , it is the human right that we are fighting for. And when this right is actually given to us willingly or not, we don’t want to exercise that right to vote, we want to exercise to make a choice as a right not to vote. Then what are we fighting for? That in my view is not fair to ourselves. Not fair to others as well. Because one vote of yours or mine will decide the future of Myanmar and its people. If we don’t vote, you and I will be accused for not being fair on others 52 million of them or on Myanmar.

If you don’t mind, I would like to correct the following sentence of yours , “ For me under the present situation our country need the good politicians who place their interests before all, such as their personal interests, preference in group or party and personality etc..”

“Our country needs the good politicians “ , that is clear enough. But “ who place their interest before all“ My understanding is not very good to that paragraph. If you care to explain I would be grateful. But it doesn’t matter , it must be a simple mistake . Because I think there may be some words missing in the sentence. Should it be “ who not place or who does not place - - - ” With those missing words, the paragraph is more meaningful. I will understand more.

Well, MHK, what can we say. The names you mentioned, they may have had their own experience along their long journeys, we don’t know. Through their experience, they may be talking . Another thing is where they are at the moment. Their environment plays a very good part, it can influence them. If they cannot change their environment, I am sure their environment will change them. We have to know that and give than that respect and that credit.

But also to let them realise that we are in different time now. Things are changing not as much as the way we like to, but they are changing for sure. It is our duty to make it for the better , not for the worse, one inch by one inch, don’t you think? We need to change with the time.

Myanmars saying is “ Tanay Talan BaGan Be Ywe. ” take a step by step, Bagan will stillbe there and you will be there. Universal equivalence to that saying is " Roam was not built in a day “ is that right? It took over two hundred years for the US to be like this, still need to do many more as times changes.

MHK, you and I and some of us Myanmars who are abroad in the developed world . I don’t think any of us will go back and live in Myanmar for good, till we die. Lets be honest about it. But we have Myanmar in our mind every second of the minutes. As we are living we are experiencing bad things as well as good things , negative and positive things.

Who know more about Myanmars than any oyther people , because we are Myanmars. If only we can share these good and bad experience, these positives and negative things without elaborating or exaggeration, back to our people of Myanmar as they are, Myanmars can and will adjust themselves , that much they are smart MHK, believe it without any doubt.

But as you already know, Myanmars are conditioned to do everything slow. Simple things difficult and difficult impossible. That is where and when some people got frustrated. Any leader, may it be Ma Su Kyi herself cannot push the people of Myanmar in a hurry. I said it many times. She is too fast, people cannot follow her with the speed she would like. Why do you think Myanmar is left behind? Among things, no leaders of Myanmar could take the people with them as fast as they wanted to. You cannot put all the blames on the leaders alone. For Myanmar every time is important, every hour every minutes and every second.

Well, MHK I have spoken to Ma Su Kyi before she was detained. I asked her what her plans are for the future. She said she could not tell me, because that will be telling. What so secret about nation’s affairs. What so secret about the people’s affairs. She was so secretive, was she planning to invite foreign powers to invade Myanmar ? May be had no p[lans at all. Now I understand her, because in recent days since last year yellow uprising her followers are openly calling for US invasion. If you are disappointed with Ma Su Kyi, I am not surprise.

Since the day of Col. Than Htun as the liaison officer, there were many chances and many opportunities for her to talk to leaders of SPDC. If only she was a clever person, a sensible person, a responsible person. she would be helping the country she loves, the people she loves and those who adores her. But she blown it all.

“ Co operation “ is the word she used when Mr Gambari met her, I doubt she knows the meaning of it. I have a great doubt she knows the meaning of democracy or human rights at all. She still thinks she is getting upper hands. She does not realises that public opinion are changing against her.

Myanmar sayings is “ Aout Ka Le Nay - Hardee Le Ma Shaw.” In the last part of Buddha’s story , Day Wadutt who was the teacher of King Azardathut, who tortured and imprisoned his own father and killed him in the end because the King was very slow to die. When Day Wadutt realised how wrong he was at the last minute yet he could not ask a pardon from Buddha let alone to get HIS blessings. Day Wadutt one his way to see Buddha died only a few feet away from Buddha where he was sitting.

Whatever SPDC does. There will be people who are not happy and who are not satisfied. Because there will always something missing. Under NLD it will be the same. Nobody is perfect, this is not a perfect world.We have to be happy with what we have, we have to be happier when we have what we have had before.

I will say it again aloud. Whatever SPDC have done for Myanmar and the people during these awful years. Whatever they have achieved , they should take pride, we have to be proud of them. Especially in the midst of economic sanctions and all the difficulties, SPDC has done great job., the best they could. Because I have seen Myanmar how it was before SPDC. If only SPDC was understood and were treated fairly, Myanmar would be greater than now. Myanmars will be happier than now.

“ Myanmar is in the hands of the people of Myanmar “ that is what everybody is saying. If Myanmars know the meaning of it. I trust they know what to do.
Myanmar have to do it THEMSELVES that was the message. Whether Myanmars get that message or not, is another matter. Myanmar in the hands of Myanmar with the socialism people were not happy, they were not satisfied. Because they did not know whow the socialism was.

Today in free market, Myanmars are still moaning and groaning for higher prices. They don'y kmnow why, they don't look around what is happenning in the world.

The aiming object of the opposition is to get power. They are power crazy. They don’t care who has done what for the country, for the people. According to Ma Su Kyi , This SPDC or Tatmadaw is the enemy of the people common enemy, should be treated as such. You can go back to her past speeches. SPDC must be annihilated. That is dangerous.

For argument sake, if NLD does not destruct what the SPDC has constructed, Myanmars will be lucky. Otherwise they have to restart again from the sketches. That is what we did in 1948 we started from sketches and whetever we constructed were destructed by the Communists and Kayin National Defence Organization and other multi colour insurgencies which followed later.

This New Constitution is the best I have seen in my life. When times comes there may be better one than this. As I have said. it is something to start with. So lets get on with it.

To conclude, I have to come back and say, NLD or Ma Su Kyi should not deny the human rights of Myanmar human beings by saying not to vote or to boycott it. NLD and Ma Su Kyi had in their own ways already denied human rights of the Myanmar people by calling economic sanctions.

Myanmars also should exercise their rights to vote. Voting is their right. They should not deny themselves their rights because of what Ma Su Kyi said, because of what NLD said . Myanmars are smart people, they should not let anybody undermine them, they should not let anybody manipulate them.

International Community must be fair towards Myanmar’s SPDC. Give the credit where its due. They have been bashing SPDC for years, didn’t they ? If there are punitive actions, there must be rewards as well.

S.A.T leader Brig, Gen Kyaw Hsan was honest and sincere, direct, frank, opened. That’s the way I saw him. What he pointed out about UN and Mr Gambari was very direct and true. You can not say he was wrong.

Mr Gambari as a person, as an special envoy of Mr Ben Ki Moon should be honest , sincere, , direct, frank and open as well . Former UNSG Mr Koffi Annan had done a good job in Kenya. He was the man who said the war on Iraq was illegal. For saying that he knew he has to go. He went. He should carry the name Special Envoy with pride and honour. Brig. Gen. Kyaw Hsan was helping Mr Gambari to shine, you can look it that way. If Mr. Gambari has no potential to shing , ther is nothing anybody can do.

If only we have the honest and sincere people in the League of Nations such as Koffi Annan and weapon inspector Hans Blix. I am sure we will have more peace and stability, progress and prosperity in the world where Myanmar is a part of it.

Regards.

Thunderbolts

Dear Thunderbolts,

I was in England in 1987 and spent 3-4 nights in Oxford. During that time none of my friends ever mentioned to me that our Bogyoke’s daughter resides in Oxford. Only after the 1988 incident I came to know about her.

On 31 March 1988, she came to Myanmar after receiving a phone stating her mother Daw Khin Kyi had a severe stroke. When Bogyoke Ne Win resigned on 23 July 1988, popular demonstration began. Thus, she was propelled into a limelight. Open letters were written and speeches were given in August 88 by her. Instead of showing leadership qualities, she was unable to control the emotionally charged crowds. Then on 24 September 88, NLD (National League Democracy) was formed, Ma Suu Kyi as General Secretary with Policy of non-violence and civil disobedience. At Daw Khin Kyi’s funeral on 2nd Jan 1988, Ma Suu Kyi made a vow she would serve until her death as her father (Bogyoke) and her mother had served the People of Myanmar. Yes, Thunderbolts, speech writers would write ‘Feel good’ phrases or popular themes to sway the public. Like they say in the West – “Talk and Talk but not the Walk”. I concurred with you 110% because from the onset she has formulated a ‘Policy of Confrontation’. When you follow her past actions, she would push her envelope right to the limit, so her freedom was short live. I could not make any sense of her actions and stance that she is following in the footstep of her departed parents.

I must say there is no difference between her vows (to serve as her parents did) and what SPDC is doing. The main objective is the same – We want Myanmar taking its rightful place in the World Community with our heads held high. It’s time we set aside all misunderstanding and mistrust, let’s build confidence and move forward.

A pleasure to discuss with you.

I am Polaris

Halo Dear Polaris,

Thanks to MHK, for introducing you to us.

Now you have mentioned it your journey to England and your experience . I have to tell you a few about my self. Though I do not like to talk about personality only the performance , here I am engaged in talking about somebody’s personnel matters. I promise I won’t say more then necessary. Some of the point about Ma Su Kyi I have mentioned in this forum the old one. I don’t w ant to reap then again.

I am a travelling man. I have been to many parts of the world Red, Blue and Yellow countries. In the East, in the west in the middle. Some of those who were with me are still living in Myanmar and in other parts of the world as well.

I been in and out of England many times I have met many dignitaries , politicians, diplomats, their children including our Bogyokes ( plural) children. Grand children etc.

My interest is politics, current affairs. Not to become a politician , I am not that type and though I am interest in politic, I have no ambition to become one. I may have no Parami to become one or because of my conscience..

When I had the opportunity to socially meetings of the Myanmar. The gathering of our people including Holy places such as Phone Gyi Kyaungs, I met other Bogyokes’ children, but sad to say Ma Su Kyi was not among them. But I had my chances to speak to her not less than three times on other occasions , she showed no sign that she has any interests in Myanmar Politic.

I simply believe, it was because Ma Su Kyi was a family house wife . She just doesn’t want to get involved in the Myanmar politic. She had no reason. She was one of the privileges among two societies, because of her father Bogyoke on one side from Myanmar and Gore Booth , Moreland ex British Ambassadors to Myanmar who were her guardian angles from British Foreign and Commonwealth and who were her mentors and many from British Burma society on the other side including Friends of the Burma’s Hill Peoples.
Besides she is not an activist of any kind let alone in Myanmar politic .

I even thought simple of may because she knows that she has no place in Myanmar politic because she happened to be married to an Englishman . Her father who drafted the first constitution prohibited such people like her to be in the politic of Myanmar. I even though Bogyoke could not mean it for her, Was he the seer, who sees the future? Before he died Bogyoke saw many thing what could happened to Myanmar . He warned the people. Ma Su Kyi was two years old when he had to die.

Any way . She showed no interest in Myanmar politic. When asked she said something like , I don’t want to know about it . I don’t want to know about Myanmars either, I am afraid to know she said. A few Myanmar who resides in Oxford, are the same.

The sole agent for Fokker Friendship planes for Myanmar who lived and died in Oxford U Myat Saw was the same. They don’t wan to know Myanmar they do want to know about Myanmars. In their own words “ Bamar Myar Daw - Kyaut Par Ye ”

And then after 1988 I spoke to Ma Su Kyi again. NLD was not formed yet. asked She talked about detainments, arrests, the treatment of SLORC to the public. etc.
Again by accident I was at the NLD head quarter speaking to U Tin Oo. He introduce me to her, she said she knows me. There and then we went into conversation for about twenty minutes. Only thing talk about was about the SLORC. And U Ne Win. I never knew she was so active and so aggressive. Needless to say the feeder was U Tin Oo. She said nothing about the fure programme about her party. She said what you and I are already familiar , freedom of this and that etc. To get rid of military rulers. When Ma Su Kyi she did not spit out her programme , I found it hard to join her, I sensed that she doesn’t trust me. If we cannot trust each other it is of no use to work together. Suspicions will always be there . I simply though she was a clever woman , not to let others know before time. I gave her that credit and watch her movements I don‘t think too much of her, not like other Myanmars. Mauy be because I lived in England for so long .

I talked to U Nu and others as well Now they are gone no need to repeat what they said. But one thing though Ma Su Kyi had no respect for U Nu. The old man protected her the way he knew how. An as an experienced politician , he could not simply work with Ma SU Kyi. Ko Aung Gyi could not work with her either. Not to mentioned about many other young and old who left her and NLD. It had nothing to do with pressures from SLORC ?SPDC. It has many things to do with Ma Su Kyi, attitude, and behaviours which are not the attitude and behaviours of a professional politician. She is not only an up start but she behave like a dictator from the start.

Myanmars need no more, want no more dictators , no more monarchs .

U Kyi Maung, U Maung Lwin, U Tin Oo. they have no where to go if they don‘t stick to Ma SU Kyi. They are afraid public reprisal if they desert Ma Su Kyi. They are using Ma Su Kyi as their shield to protect themselves from the populace. If the people abandon them. They had it.

Why people supported her in the beginning? Simply because they want a change , a change to be more comfortable in their life . They did not understand what BSPP was doing, BSPP did not explain to the people if they had, that was not enough. Public information are needed, You can’t give orders to the people, because they are not soldiers. If there is compulsory military service oin Myanmar it will be some thing. Phoung-Gyi Thindan .Wet-ti-gan Thindan are gone. Through News paper, TV, Magazine the needed information are given to the people better then before. But still need more to do. Myanmar used to have, government information Ministry going round the country given public information by means documentary film. Exhibition. Public servants and schools kids excursions Words and action, theories and practices . SPDC knew that, so SPDC is delivering by themselves to what the people needs .
As a matter of fact Myanmars are slow learners. they are not learning difficulties. SPDC may be having difficulties in teaching them due to many difficulties.

Myanmrs may be poor Myanmar is in poverty . That is their way of life. “ Bon Baw La Aeuw or Htamin Yey Puu Choung See “ That is why they are poor. They are extreme in that sense, they sacrifice their daily life for imaginative life of Nirvana. They want to go to Nirvana in a short cut. They do not know how to create natural resources rich Myanmar into a heaven on earth. They believe that making the Phonegyi rich, will ease their suffering, will take them to Nirvana.

They do not know what austerity means. They do not know the difference between and this austerity and poverty. Myanmar is not in poverty, yes Myanmars are poor compare to western standard, that is their own doing. Austerity may be an ugly word but this austerity will in time will create a heaven on earth in Myanmar, if only people understand and have patience. England itself issued ration books to its people under austerity scheme when needed.

English , Scottish and Welsh children had been down into the deep Coal mines and died there while working for pennies together with their adults parents, because they were poor. Let the Myanmars know.

It is nothing to do with Communism. It has nothing to do with socialism. It is against “ Bonebaw La Aeuw or Htamin Yey Puu Lar Chaung See” habit.

Lastly SPDC or not, Ma Su Kyi or not, Union of Myanmar is in the hands of the people of Myanmar. If there is are problems Myanmar have to solve them by themselves. All Myanmars have to adjust themselves, correct by themselves. If they don’t need any dictator, if they don’t want any dictator. They have to help themselves because there is nobody to help the, if there is, they will charge them they will take the fees for their services. All that Myanmars must know.

Myanmar have been under foreign rulers for over 100 years During I25 years they had two foreign powers. So if we are talkning aboy the experiences, ther is no people oin the world who have this king of experiece.

Present Myanmars must know about their own country, their history, their geography. Myanmar must know WHY any foreign powers want to dominate Myanmar, politically, economically and socially. Myanmars must have all the awareness.

Nice talking to you, the pleasure is mine,

Regards,

Thunderbolts.

Dear Mg Than,

May I invite you to open your mouth a little bit wider. In my view agreeing or not agreeing to others is not enough. You must have your own ideas, your views and your opinion. It would be much better, if we can have a chance to see or hear your own views. It will be of great help to the Nation of Myanmar and the people of Myanmar. Don't you think?

Respect and Regards,

Thunderbolts.

Dear Thunderbolts,

No wonder I didn't know about her until the 88 incident. Later through articles written, I came to know she was out of Myanmar since around 1960, most of the time detached from the complexity of Myanmar internal politics

Thanks to your latest post, it confirmed my perceptions of her personality. Through the grape vines from within her organization, I heard she tends to be a bit authoritative, demanding and dictatorial.

She has made a lot of political errors in the past and yet she didn’t bother to mend her ways. I may award her top marks in Academic achievement, but a – F for her political visionary for Myanmar’s future.

Your contributions to the forum can’t be quantified. It is most valuable and informative.

Thanks again,

I am Polaris