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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Kingdom of Bhutan or Democratic Kingdom of Bhutan?:
Government: Monarchy (now this can be change to rising democracy around the world/Globalization)
Small army (under 10,000).
Capital City: Thimphu
Religion: Buddhism and Hindu as major
Population: a million or two.
Land area: 47,000 sq km (18,150 sq miles)
Location: Between Tibet to the north and India to the south. Scenic beautiful mountainous place with deep valleys. Southern lowlands has forests and wild animals. More influential by India although Tibetans descendants/migrants are major for Bhutans who are mostly farmers.
According to the link “linsi” provided Bhutan had become the world’s newest multi party democratic Kingdom (similar to Kingdom of Thailand). I am glad the new multi democratic government of Bhutan’s informal contacts have been made with United States through the American Embassy in New Delhi. India had become the democratic vanguard of South Asia and Asia as a whole building a sizable Naval forces not only in Indian Ocean but also penetrating into South China Seas. The recent good relations between India and United States become more stronger and cement into 2 democratic giants is a positive trend in checking the Communist China’s aggressive behavior.
I see South Asia as a strategic stronghold and the struggle between democratic forces and anti-democratic forces can be intensified through out this 21st Century where the fast changes of political maps, boundaries and the human elements fauna and flora, energy search are becoming important and contradictory to one another for supremacy, strength, struggle of conflicting doctrines. In my opinion Tibet, Bhutan and Nepal are going to be the strategic points of interest for BIG power play in this 21st Century.
Correct me if I am wrong in facts or statistics.
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Thanks for the contribution “linsi”. Very informative link also. In my opinion to rub India or to do more to India than to Bhutan by intrusion of Chinese troops into Bhutan reveal the disrespect by the Chinese against the people of Bhutan no matter how small or insignificant that nation is. In my opinion, the UN is just a symbol and not an effective or strong Organization. I do not want to call World’s Organization for UN is powerless and ineffective in solving many world’s problems. I agree it is better to have something achieve somewhere but as the humans move to high tech and better understanding, we need an effective group of nations that stands for the dignity, integrity and rights of human kind as a whole regardless of regional and races or cultures involved. It is a known fact that China already taken Tibet by force. There are some who submit to China’s aggression for many reasons and there are those who don’t. Of course if one argue that going back centuries will only emerge problems than solutions. Look at United States or Mexico as an example. If one goes back to centuries ago US and Mexico is ruled and occupied or lived by the Indians thus the notion of Indians owning United States and Mexico stands (according to ancient historical facts). Right now China rules Tibet (by invasion) and that is a fact, BUT…………………the new generations of Tibetans are more informed, more intelligent, more educated and more smart and as you know and we all know humans tend to take over by newer younger generations one after another generation after generation changing the world as times goes by. The world today is different than the world yesterday. Constant changes are occurring in all parts of the world. Europe is now united as one. There is no more Eastern Europe or Western Europe. No more Soviet Union either. China had many provinces that they annexed including Tibet. Talking about China some provinces that they annex I don’t think there is no problems for the inner feelings of the repressed ethnics, they are not happy with the Chinese rule. These are the facts. A nation as big as Soviet Union collapse and many independent and free nations emerge (these oppressed small nations are not happy with the Russians' rule). It may take 50 or 70 or 100 years but empires do collapse. This also a fact. How Asia will cope with rising freedom democratization (according to their nature) is yet to be seen. Energy crunch is looming as developing escalates Asia.
South Asia consist of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Burma. True, each has its own problems and the problems between India and Pakistan especially the Kashmir dispute (India vs. Pakistan) is not a solved problem and each nation own nuclear weapons and now Bhutan? (India vs. China) both have nuclear weapons.
Indian Ocean is vital for it is the gateway to Gulf States which have the world’s largest Oil reserves.
Thanks for stepping out and contribute/sharing your insights/thoughts Linsi.
Regards.
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Paradoxan wrote:
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In fact India is surrounded by hostile nations (is it the strategy of China?) namely Sri lanka, Bangladesh, China, Pakistan and Burma (China’s puppet) But India is trying very hard to woo/entice Burma (Burma can be regarded as part of South Asia as well as South East Asia for she is situated/located in the junction of such) away from the orbit of China by giving arms and ammunitions, military hardware, financial aid and so on. India does not want to be “boxed” by China.
Any one any thoughts on this Strategic Fields of South Asia? Please do step out and share us, exchange, discuss and argue/debate your thoughts, insights and opinions.
regards,
Paradoxan.[/color]
feudalism can be seen all throughout Asia, Asia has never risen from
a feudal state- but the likes are also seen in the middle east
as it is happening in ghaza- (present) and even all throughout
the world- (Bosnia/Serbia etc)
Sri Lanka,Bangadesh,Pakistan, Burma, with China's exemption
has been fighting internal problems of their own,
either working with terrorism from without or military rule from within
A nation could only rise above these conflicts if governments
are strong enpough and integral in upholding the rule of law,
freedom and democracy (own version)
to its own people.
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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hi paradoxan,
if we would talk about aggression and conquest,that would fall
under feudalism which happened in Europe and the West as history
says, but these elements do exist until now.
If all countries will be given the chance to conquer others,
i bet, they will, take for instance Iraq she invaded kuwait
if, Iran will have the chance to conquer Iraq, then it will...
we could go on and on and on-
In other words, Puerto Rico could never be a commonwealth
of the USA if the US did not win the Spanish-American War
which ceded Puerto Rico to the US as an outcome of that
conflict-
Puerto Rico, officially the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
is a semi-autonomous territory of the United States .
It is not an independent country.
Instead it is a “non incorporated territory”.
which belongs to America "now"
This is also the reason why i think a nation
must have strong rule of law followed by
economic properity.
A nation having a strong government with rule of law
is an asset to global society, a lucrative partner
in business and economy, could contribute to
aiding poor countries and could "minimize"
the threat of oppressions from outside forces.
two examples: japan and singapore
China came to be a world power because they worked
hard within themselves and for themselves,
i did not say all their decisions were "right"
but all nations commit
the same atrocities against others.(directly or indirectly)
<br><br>Post edited by: linsi, at: 2008/03/19 09:03
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dear linsi,
It is nice of you to clarify how nations tend to conquer others if they have the chance or opportunity. I had no problem with the Chinese people but I had problem with the dictator Communist Party. In America too there are many rich people or mighty Corporations or Companies but as long as these wealthy people Co. or Inc. does not cheat or wipe off lesser common people or practice unfair practices, too greedy and treat struggling people like robots, it’s ok with me but if they do practice unfair practices to gain wealth I do not respect nor had any admiration to these wealthy persons, entity or Companies no matter how big or mighty or wealthy they are. In my view China is trading with US unfairly and President Bush let this happen so the consequences of this reflects what is happening in US and China. There are some points I totally disagree with President Bush’s trade/foreign policy.
As for Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans I don’t think they dislike being “part” of USA. On the contrary the Tibetans do not like the rule of China at all. In other words the New Generation Tibetans don’t want to be “part” of China at all and that is why now and then revolt begins against the Chinese rule.
Any way I agree generally with you the notion of a nation having “strong rule of law” can spawn economic prosperity but for me ‘what kind of law’ depends also. For example if the “strong rule of fascist or marshal law” exists I seriously doubt this particular nation can achieve economic prosperity.
You are cool. Thanxs for your insight linsi. All you guys/gals are great moderators, writers and members also. I mean Zia, You and of course the small soldier Jacques.
Cheers! 
Paradoxan
linsi wrote:
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hi paradoxan,
if we would talk about aggression and conquest,that would fall
under feudalism which happened in Europe and the West as history
says, but these elements do exist until now.
If all countries will be given the chance to conquer others,
i bet, they will, take for instance Iraq she invaded kuwait
if, Iran will have the chance to conquer Iraq, then it will...
we could go on and on and on-
In other words, Puerto Rico could never be a commonwealth
of the USA if the US did not win the Spanish-American War
which ceded Puerto Rico to the US as an outcome of that
conflict-
Puerto Rico, officially the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
is a semi-autonomous territory of the United States .
It is not an independent country.
Instead it is a “non incorporated territory”.
which belongs to America "now"
This is also the reason why i think a nation
must have strong rule of law followed by
economic properity.
A nation having a strong government with rule of law
is an asset to global society, a lucrative partner
in business and economy, could contribute to
aiding poor countries and could "minimize"
the threat of oppressions from outside forces.
two examples: japan and singapore
China came to be a world power because they worked
hard within themselves and for themselves,
i did not say all their decisions were "right"
but all nations commit
the same atrocities against others.(directly or indirectly)
<br><br>Post edited by: linsi, at: 2008/03/19 09:03
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Paradoxan wrote:
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Dear linsi,
It is nice of you to clarify how nations tend to conquer others if they have the chance or opportunity. I had no problem with the Chinese people but I had problem with the dictator Communist Party.
Cheers! :whistle:
Paradoxan
hi paradoxan,
i think that both of us are freedom lover people, we both agree that "democracy" is the best form of government.
i also think that "democracy" in america
is quite different from democracy of other nations or territories
america's democracy is entirely different from singapore's democracy,
japan has a different kind of democracy too, i also think that people in general loves freedom beause i believe that man is created "dynamic" that means we are
created with the gift of free choice/ free will-
but when we speak of governments- i have observed that weak governments
are corrupt-leaning governments
and when this happens-" communism, dictatorship, facism etc- gets in.
Take for example Chiang-Kai Shek-
Chiang Kai-Shek was an average Han Chinese who rose to become the leader of the most populous nation in the world, yet fell to the clutches of corruption
http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/China/save/hance/Hance.html
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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very timely and interesting topic you started paradoxan, you caught me here
cheers
linsi
ooops, my lengthy replies were on the previous page...
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Re:Tibet, Nepal and Bhutan 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Hi linsi,
Your question, “may i ask why the young tibetan generation don't want to be a apart of china?”
Here’s my concept:
When the Chinese invaded Tibet, a vacuum occurs. We all know, before the invasion of Chinese troops, Tibet is an isolated, mountainous large independent nation with very few population not to mention the people are very religious, peaceful loving people and has no standing army. This region is land lock and needs either China or India for access to Oceans and the world. Communications in those days are limited before the Chinese invasion. After the invasion the Chinese control Tibetans and again the access to outer world is limited. The invasion of Chinese create refugees including Dalai Lama himself. When repression occurs in a very big way it is natural humans tend to find refuge from repression thus the mass migration of Tibetans into neighboring nations namely, Nepal, Bhutan and India occur. In fact the Tibetans are now spread out throughout the world. Now, with the advancement of technology, no place is isolated nor inaccessible anymore. The many Tibetans that lives outside of Tibet are free and knowledgeable and had no problem in communicating with their fellow Tibetans that lives under Chinese repression, thanks ot the tech/electronic revolution. Of course the Chinese will try very hard to cut off the communications with the outside world (even today) but in a time like this, it will not be fool proof . The Tibetans see the occupation of Chinese had depleted their cultures, their race and their identity slowly but surely and the new generation of Tibetans mostly outside of Tibet realized their very survival as a different entity is at stake. Dalai Lama is the older generation leader. I understand spiritual leader plays a vital role in Tibetan culture but simultaneously the new concept of younger Generation urge for survival might spawn a different new leader. Tibetans knew their nation, culture and way of life more than any race including the Chinese or Hans or whatever. It is natural to own their own land, practice their own faith and conduct their own culture. Who are we to blame them for that urge?
Look at another South Asian nation for example. Burma/Myanmar. The repression (in Burma’s case it is done by its own Military Generals) done by the repressive regime creates millions of refugees to neighboring countries and beyond. In these migration either in a legal way (with passports) or illegal way the brain drain occurs. In this influx of brain drain scenario, smart brains are also included and plays a major role in the revolution. The effectiveness of these younger generation’s skills demonstrated in September 2007 Revolution is the proof of the changing tactics of human’s quest to overcome repression. The ripple effects of the newer, younger generations of Burmese shock the world with shocking videos and pictures that the regime cannot hide. China copy Burma’s events and protect their interest more effectively. Once in Burma 1988, China 1989 massacre and now in Burma against Buddhist monks in 2007, China against Buddhist monks in 2008. See the trend?
Many people mistaken the American style (ideology) implementation on other nations, cultures. I disagree on that. Of course America shows how they achieve success overcoming obstacles, hardships by freedom and the fruits of freedom which are prosperity, advance technology, business, economic wealth and so on. The modern achievements of American ingenuity, innovations and the freedom to do that implies greatly to attain success and these examples that inspire many nations, cultures alike to try their own style in their own culture, ways and environs. Puerto Ricans never act like Americans for Americans never imposed their culture or life styles on any race or culture. Puerto Ricans have their own life styles, their own cultures and their own land AND also they enjoys the fruits of democratic laws and rules that binds Puerto Ricans and Americans together locking their lands as one nation. Puerto Ricans enjoy being “part” of America.
In short, the love for freedom, the joy of freedom, the value for freedom and the implementation of freedom does produce a strong bond that gives these 2 separated lands/peoples as one nation. In other words Puerto Rico is “part” of USA and USA is part of Puerto Rico.
I want to say something. Freedom does not belong only to Americans and America. Freedom belongs to ALL humans, ALL nations regardless of culture, region, race or religion. Freedom is universal and Freedom is human’s birth rights. When a baby is born before he/she understand laws, before he/she understands who where what. Before he/she understands anything, he/she is NOT born to be exploited or abuse or oppressed by others. He or she is born free to pursue LIFE, LIBERTY and HAPPINESS.
It is not wise to block with barriers of this that (adults’ agenda/propaganda) for this baby that enters the world freely to decides his/her own destination. Just like many species of animals. ALL off springs are on their own for better or worse when they reach their maturity so why not humans? Humans should be more free for humans are much much more valuable and superior than animals. Are they not?
It is great talking with you linsi. I enjoy very much. Thanxs.
Paradoxan.
P.S. I think something wrong with the site (AO). I mean the technological defects.
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