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REF; 09/03/2008
Dear MHK
I hope we are not going round and round again. Playing marry go round.
Regarding SPDC
Very good MHK at least I know what you dislike about SPDC. That is the way it should be . It is one of the peaceful way of expressing, isn’t it?
As I have said before, it has nothing to do with like or dislike the SPDC. If SPDC is not there and if a civilian government elected by the people was there, these things could still happened, it is happening around the world, worse than Myanmar in democratic countries. The clash between those who have to uphold the laws and the laws breakers. There was no conflicts between the upholders of the laws and the laws abiding citizens
The law provides the right to demonstrate, the right to protest When the demonstration and protests went out of the line which means , when they got outside the laws, that’s where the bad and bitter things occurred. Bad and bitter things are undesirable. But these things do happened , for better or for worse. Look at this way, these bad things are for the bad to be better, and the bitter things are to be sweet, and the sweet things are to be sweeter. But they do happened everywhere, please don‘t forget that.
Demonstrations and protest in Myammar were led by the politicians. They thought it is necessary, Demonstrations and protests are everywhere, in every country. In some country politicians leaders lea the demonstrations and protests.
In Myanmnar it’s not like that the politician are not physically involved . This is their brain, they only created them , very few politician led the demonstration or protests. if you must know. No politician were in front of them or behind them. In actual fact those politicians are sitting in a far away safe places, directing the innocent people . The people, women and children, the monks agitators, aggressors and street gangs. etc. who were cleverly used by the politicians. Why did not the politicians come out themselves to do their own dirty works instead of hiring others to do, or even to die in their places?
In democratic countries, I have seen many demonstrations and protests they are mostly in order. . As long as they are within the laws, they are alright, as soon as they crossed over their lines, bad things and bitter things happened. Some people are arrested and taken to court and punished for breaking the laws at least for disturbing peace, you may have heard about it. People can be in prisons for many reasons.
The government of SPDC is not exception. Myanmar is not exception where military government is in place, unfortunately. Military rule is different from civilian rules. But even in democratic countries where civilian are ruling and when military has to called in because police could not control the situation anymore, bad things and bitter things happen. How bad, how bitter, depends .
Let me share my knowledge with you. When peaceful demonstration turn into violence, they will be asked to disperse peacefully. Then as a second stage, riot police will try and break them up, including, tear gas and fire brigade. Then warning shots will be fire over head and in the end to shoot straight into the crowd. All these are permitted by law MHK. The law is there , judges are there together will the authorities at the place of occurrence to issue necessary orders.
Section 144 of the Panel Code, is the law which said when people can not gather more than five. Still depends on what the intension of the gathering. A group people gong to Pagoda, Kyaung and school, these kind of intents are exempt.
Ignorant of the law is no excuse in any country. Living within the law, abiding the law is called ,“ DISCIPLINE ” . Knowing laws means knowing what you are doing.
I think I have said it before. Police have a right to restrict the movements of demonstrations, they can recommend, endorse or object or reject. Because they have tom protect the demonstrators as well as counter demonstrators. Besides they have their duty to protect the bystanders as well as the properties.
When a lawful assembly can become unlawful assembly? After the permissions were granted to demonstrate or to hold a protest march, rally, if demonstrators and protesters break the exiting criminal laws, causing criminal damaged to the properties and the security and lives of others , then it hads becomes unlawful assembly. There is when bad things and bitter things happened.
Organizers of the demonstrations and protests and those who are taking part must know what they are doing, whether they are crossing the lines or not. They must be extremely careful. Even to cross the railway level crossing , you must be extremely careful MHK.
Peaceful demonstration and peaceful protest have only the right to peacefully demonstrate and peacefully protest, nothing else. They have absolutely no rights to loot, they have no right to set alight cars and buildings , they have no right to commit any criminal acts. All rights are all framed., if you must know. SPDC, NLD, AFPFL< RC BSPP, never mine those.
In future democratic Myanmar, there will be demonstrations and protests of one kind or the other. As long as they are abiding the laws, rules, regulations and procedures they will be alright. I have siad it many times before.
Dear MHK,
It is all in your mine MHK. Whether you are an optimist or a pessimist.
I believe you have accepted the facts that why Tatmadaw had to take over. I can understand and see your point. Why you don’t like SPDC. MHK you must also understand that Myanamr’s situation was not normal. International community understood why military had to take over in 1958 or in 1962. They were amazed when Gen Newin handed back the power to U Nu after the election. For 18 months Gen Ne Win did what needed to be done. You could say that 18 months Gen Ne Win over stayed, It looked that way but, he did not , he over stayed with the permission of the Thant Shin Government. That was why I said it as a “ warning”, telling politicians to put the house back in order or else.
Military take over are necessity. some kind of a normal or common thing in nations such as Myanmar . You may have heard of other nations as well. Of course depending on situation and circumstances. Military take over is not just a picnic MHK. This is a great responsibility.
But where SPDC in Myanmar is concerned, the fact is, it has over stayed too long . I agree to that point. But it is because of all the circumstances and situations. They want to do some thing to take root. They have to do , they are the only institution which can do. If you are following the events of Myanmar since independence and during these years and look at them with your broad mind, you can see them very clearing, crystal clear why Tatmadaw had to do.
If and when situations and circumstances demanded a military take over will happen, as a interim government or a provisional government . The reasons for Myanmar military take over has been explained again and again by Myanmar military, accept it or not is another matter.
In my view from 1958 to 1962 situation and circumstances were improving gradually but not as fast as we like to under all circumstances. When the situation getting worsen, there was no choice military had to take over. The prospect of disintegration of Union of Myanmar, disunity of people in Myanmar based on race and religion. Remember U Nu declared Buddhism as the nations religion? All these provoked possible all out civil war.
Do you remember the partition of India and Pakistan? Do you remember Hutu and Tutsi of Rawanda and many other conflicts based on race and religion. Anyway we thought we had passed that kind of situation in 1950 -53 , but in fact it was like a spontaneous fire in Myanmar.
Dear MHK, Myanmar Naing Gan Daw was a combination of three Kingdoms only, namely Bamar, Mon and Yakhine. When the British took over , they created the nation back to a feudal states, especially Shan, Chin , Kachin, Kayin and Kayah. Though they have created as such, they are the only maters over them , they the British were the Overlords. That was all the problems that was the inheritance Myanmar was left with.
As a figure of speech and to the fairness, if there was secessions , Mon and the Yakhine have more right than anybody else in Myanmar. If you understand what I am saying. Kayin and Kahah started it and Mon and Yakhine were about to follow.
U Nu tried to unite the people again but he failed because of 1947 constitution. Right or wrong Gen Ne Win took over and abolished the 1947 constitution and he had done all he could. He did it his best but Myanmar was one fragile nation. No matter how honourable his intentions may be , if we the people do not try and understand and make difficulties for him he will failed.
Myanmar Military government cannot do it alone, NLD can not do it alone , most of all Myanmar cannot do it alone it needs international help. This international help is
in two parts.
One is to stop all the supports they are given to the opposition including to the armed insurgents. Another is to help to develop Myanmar for the sake of the people. If they stop at least the two, the military will have no reasons to stay that long.
A military government or a civilian government has to protect the people , defend the nation. To do its duty they have to use, police or military according to the seriousness of the situation.
If each and every one of us, including our political leaders can take care of the nation’s internal affairs , military doesn’t need to be a government. They have to take care of the external enemies.
In Myanmar military becomes government, so it comes face to face with the people., If it was a civilian, government military does not need to face to face with the people. But, the military c an not turn their back, or close their eyes, when the nation is falling into the abyss.
My dear MHK, I expect you to tell thru your own experience or I rather like to hear from you saying what you know, through your experience, not repeating what other are saying, what you really don’t know, hear say , which you cannot proof or have not a single shred of evidence against the military people. .
Like and dislike are always there. There is nothing to elaborate. Not only the military leadership in Myanmar . The civilian leadership in those days politicians were highly privileged class of people in Myanmar and in any other countries.
Ma SU Kyi is another privileged person for being the daughter of Ko Aung San. She is a privileged person at the moment even she is under house arrest compare to U Tin Oo. And others. These kind of people are everywhere MHK. “ Aristocrats, upper class” where do you think these words come from.
“ Poor governance ”, to compare with other nation Myanmar is poor and the governess may be poor. There is a big reason for it. Because the people around, including NLD is making everything difficult for SPDC to govern, disturbing SPDC, to ba able to develop Myanmar. You can deny if you want.
Supposed I give you no tools of any kind, and ask you to dig a well for me to get water.
for you and for me. Do you think you can do it without the necessary tools of any kind? I will worship you three times a day, if you can dig that well.
Economy in Myanmar is related to economic sanction, if you cannot accept I can not help you on it. If economic sanctions on Myanmar does not effect Myanmar’s economic, then what does? Why are they imposing economic sanctions on Myanmar if it is not effecting Myanmar ? Economic sanction is the most effective weapons of all times, in the past , at present, and in the future will be. This economic sanction is being used on other countries as well.
Lift all sanctions, invest in Myanmar without any strings or restrictions, then there will be some kind of economy for SPDC to manage. we will see SPDC can mismanage it or not. Besides since 1948 and then since socialist days Myanma’s economy is in the hands of Myanmar citizens. It looked like Myamnr’s economy was running like a motor car engine, as along as there is petrol in the tank, the engine is running, When that petrol run out in the tank the engine stops. Do you understand what I am saying MHK?
When British left, Myanmars was running it economy with the left over including some war Myanmars instead or running their economy efficiently, they were fighting among them
I will say this, whether you understand or not. Myanmars are not ready for anything, they rely and depends on others. They were not ready for democracy, they were not ready for economy. I am very, very, so, so sorry to say, Myanmars were not ready to run their own country. You know why. Because in all of their life Myanmars could not even run a home industry. They used to live off on the nature. They created nothing, even to go to the toilet they used to go into the bush to make it, they did not even built a proper toilet. They are still doing it by the road side. Let alone to build a nation.
You are talking about SPDC mismanagements. The people cannot manage themselves. MHK that is the truth. Next government will have a lot of things to do, how will they do it , we have to wait and see, through education, or through dictations. Through common sense or through fear? If hell has nothing to fear , everybody has to enjoy living in hell. We don’t need, Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed to teach us anything we don’t need their teachings
Sorry, MHK, the quality of the people will determine the quality of the nation.
Having said that, I don’t know when was the last time you have been back to Myanmar whatever progress and developments are there is because of some friends, whatever there are no progress and no developments are because of some foes. Friends have their limits to help Myanmar, they have to build their own nation as well. Their difficulties to help Myanmar as well especially when some big countries with big power are trying to enslave Myanmar, in the name of freedm. Freedom, what freedom. What is the meaning of freedom?
When Myanmar do not help themselves the help of other to Myanmar are wasted. I am afraid no one would like to help any more. Myanmar cannot be modern developed nation. It will be a nation with full of their own beautiful, culture, traditions, customs and their own way of life. Myanmar as a nation or Myanmars as people will become tourists attractions, museum pieces.
If you impose your will on me, I am not free. If I resist you and your will on me , you threaten me with this and that and make my life difficult , hard for me to survive, I have no freedom, I lost my freedom. If what you do infringe my freedom, violates my freedom with your will, even without any weapon. I don’t want to know about that freedom MHK, That freedom is not a freedom in my view or is it?
Dear MHK, now we have a new constitution ready. You have heard it from the horses mouth.( Spoke Authority Team)
The way I understand is that the constitution is like a social contract. We all sit together , discussed and debated and the agreements are put down in black and white , on papers and signed. That is named as the constitution, and we have to abide by it. There may be people who do not like it, that is the nature Like it or not is another matter, but what we need, we must have. It may not necessarily what we want. This constitution is not only for one person, not only for one party, not only for one group of people.
MHK, in the process of building a nation. Bad things and bitter happened in every single country. If you have time to study the history of the nations you will know about Myanmar.
If the SPDC or military government is not thinking about the well being about the people, well being about the nation , they should hold elections every six months, hand over power every six month and take back every six months doing nothing saying nothing. They don’t have to unite the people or to develop the nation.
Regarding the Opposition
I don’t need to say anything more about the opposition. I have said almost everything as I believed. You know that I don’t like them I have said many things about the opposition why I don’t like them and what I want them to do. I am not their leader, I cannot tell them what to do. I can only let them know what I do not like about them . Even I put myself in their place I can see no reason to destabilise the country politically or economically. Let alone to make the country in chaos and in turmoil.
Though I respect your views , “ Both side “ sorry I can’t agree. It is one side who NLD is refusing to compromise. NLD is refusing to go forward, instead it is trying to go backward. No matter how much . In my view there is nothing to discuss with Ma Su Kyi at all. In a figure of speech, Ma Su Kyi is not even an elected member. Other NLD members yes. I have said if NLD taking orders from an outsider such as Ma Su Kyi.
What do you think NLD will be doing if , that is if they have the power as a government? Are they going to invite America troops to Myanmar to deal with Myanma Tatmadw? Are they going to declare Myanma Tatmdaw as Taleban of Myanmar, Al Quaida of Myanmar or Sr. Gen ThanShwe as Osama bin Ladin?
Do you ewant to creat Myanmar to be like Afghanistan, or Iraq? Is that what NLD led by Ma Su Kyi is trying to do? That not my cup of tea MHK. .
Regarding Gambari
What can you expect from Gambari? Gambari is an envoy. You are right, an envoy should be doing what an envoy should be doing. As a matter of fact UNSG Mr. Ben Ki Moom himself is from South Korea which is the puppet of United States. United Nations it self is dominated by the US. United Nations itself is subject to threats and harassments from the US. United Nation itself is one sided since U.S.S.R broke up. If United Nations is unbiased . The war in Iraq would not have happened. Even its happening now United Nations can do nothing. That is the position of the world organisation which used to be call League of the Nations.
So Gambari may be an envoy, he has no power. He is just another robot. He has no rights to express his views , let alone to speak his mind. If he doesn’t like what he may have to do he c an quit. Concerned people will shake his hands saying “ thank you for your good services, here is a pocket watch for you made in gold, bye ! ”. What can he do, what can Gambari do ?
Regarding Nationalism:
The nationalism in our country not only pose a problem , but also create problems. our This kind of attitude have exited in every country, Myanmar is no exemption. It is a threat to the unity, it is dangerous. Myanmar had a very good experience on this Why do you think KNDO went into the jungle in 1948? Why do you think Shans took arms in 1958 and others? Though they have never lost their own identity in Union of Myanmar yet their nationalism and their nationalist leaders who were pushing them to take another route or to the extreme created many problems up to this day. It has exited it is exiting today. Thanks to Tatmadaw these nationalists from all nationalities in Myanmar are under control but who knows?
I was talking about nationalism which has nothing to do with the identity. If I had misled you, I am sorry. I am not going into details on this. But Bamar nationalists, Kayin nationalist. Chin nationalist, Kachin nationalist, Mon or Yakhine nationalists etc, etc. who are against each other or one another , ready and prepare to destroy the other . These nationalists are undesirable, they ,must not be allowed. I think I have explained to you, very clearly on this . We have seen in Myanmar once not long ago. You may not have had that experience, but I had it. That’s why I know what I am talking about. The wards such as “ Bamar Domination “ have been heard countless times. The word have been used by some nationalists. Bamars never tried to dominate anybody, you yourself know that. Kalr-Bamar roits, Tayote - Bamar riots happened.
In Union of Myanmar the word Union says itself. The word Myanmar said itself. I may be rightly or I may be wrong the so called civil war in Myanmar were caused by the Nationalists.
British and Japanese were driven out from Myanmar by the Myanmar nationalists. It was a necessity At the same time British and Japanese were helped by many other nationalists not in the interest of Union of Myanmar but in the interest of themselves, their own national cause. That is different , very different MHK.
In every country, these nationalists become extreme , that country is asking for trouble. In USA< there are KKK. In Britain and in Germany there are Nationalist Parties. Young generation with shaven heads ( Not Buddhist Monks with yellow uniform ) semi military style nationalist activists and their activities are the big concerns for the authorities of every nation. At the time nations are creating for multi racial society.
No you are right , Bamars never thinks that way, they are not supperior, if they do they don‘t show Who knows what’s in their mind to be honest.
During U Nu time, or U Ne Win time if you look at the Parliaments, the governments you will find nobody is dominating nobody in political sense, or in social sense either.
This New Constitution is everything you want everything you hope for. Every thing it needed in Union of Myanmar without loosing the identity of each and every individual ethnic people every race in Union of Myanmar. Regions, states, zones have their own parliament, they are their own governments , they c an do whatever the majority decide in democratic ways.
The world is peaking English as international language, there are French , Latin , and Chinese . Even in the United Nations English is a common language. As long as we can understand each other what we are talking about we will be OK whatever language we are using. Problems could be cause by mistranslations , misinterpretation.
IDP as I said, nobody is stopping them from coming back to Myanmar, They will be well look after . That they cannot take as the rights or privileges Are they going to the other side because they fear of Myanmar military or because they fear of their nationalist leaders (insurgents).
Let us look for the future. Now a reply from SPDC to Gambari is well known. Don’t you have nothing to discuss on that? Let’s hear it.
Have a nice day,
Thunderbolts.
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