Dear MHK,

From the very beginning, if only concerned people had trusted Dr. Maung Maung or even General Saw Maung, by this time Myanmar will be laughing.

As you may noticed that situation and circumstances had change in Myanmar from 1988 - 1990 and onwards , Tatmadaw government which supposed to be the care taker or provisional government had to changed as well. Situations were not normal, so the changes were not normal. The threats and counter threats . The actions and reactions were there everybody was out of control. Opposition was carried away, went too far. Whenever there was an opportunity, opposition grabbed it misused, they used the streets gangs and created chaos.

Situations were such , the Chairman of the Myanmar delegation in United States at the 45 General Assembly, on the 19 October 1990 stated that SLORC rule will continue until “ such time as a firm constitutional government comes to existence.” That is not a joke.

But, believe it or not, take it or leave it, accept it or not, Tatmadaw, as SLORC or as SPDC, Tatmadaw as it had said time and time again what it would do, it does gradually as the situation and circumstances changes. At the same time Tatmadaw is keeping law and order, peace, not to mentioned , economic, political and social developments.

Here we have to see Myanmar as Myanmar and compare Myanmar yesterday and Myanmar today.

No matter how small they may look like to compare with other countries , Myanmar is under economic sanctions, and many other embargoes. There is nothing but to praise the SPDC for achieving in many fields. We also have to give our thanks to all nations near and far for understand our difficulties and being our friends at the time, “ a friend in need is a friend indeed. “

SPDC taking one step by one step in its Seven Steps Road Map, with all the difficulties. With all the destructions and distractions. Now the new constitution is ready. As I have said before this new constitution many not be the best in the world , but it is much better than the last two. it could be called the best for Myanmar. If you study it you will find it is more democratic, more provisions for the citizens regardless of race , colour or religion .

In my view, it is something to start with for the future Myanmar. United States of America took over two hundred years for its democracy to be matured. Myanmars should know that, the opposition should know that. The trouble is the opposition know too much. What do they know, I don’t know. In the years to come, this constitution may need to be amended.

The sooner the elections are held and transfer of power to the elected party is the better don’t you think? In the mean time, it will be wise not to rock the boat. It is the interest of the nation, it is the interest of the people. The opposition has a right to vote . If they don’t, they lost their right by their own choice, whose to blame? .

Assuming too much is not a good idea, MHK. You can go mad, because you can have nervous breakdown, in the end you could end up in the asylum . Preconceived theories are of no help either.

Constitution allowing seven states, seven regions , self administered divisions and self administered zones, with their own Hluttaws ( assemblies) . If they can not make it work with this one, they cannot work with any other, believe me. It will be a shame, it will be a great lost for all Myanmars. If they cannot work.

New kind of generation in every corner in every field is needed. They have to have new ways of thinking , new ways of doing things. They can do it. As long as they are discipline people , as long as they use their common sense, as long as we don’t create lawlessness, and chaos , I don’t see any military rule in Myanmar in future. In this constitution, military already has its place for check and balance.

But military is meant to protect the people and defend the nation from inner and outer enemies. That is their sworn duty. By making the military our enemy or declaring them as our enemy is , we are making ourselves the enemy of the military. We are making ourselves their targets. An act of war? There can be only one reaction from the military, that is “ WAR ”. This military has had too many enemies , too many experience. There is no, one too many enemies for them.

You can not do like that in any country. You cannot touch the military like that They have their job to do. For your information, in any country if there are private armies or militias, that country is asking for troubles. Ko Aung San did not do that when Myanmar was under military rule. U Nu did not do that during British or during Bo Ne Win rules. Not because they were cowards, just because they knew it wasn’t right to do. If you know what I mean.

1958 or 1962 situation invited military take over. We must not create that kind of situation in Myanmar. Nobody should do that. Military did it, because it needed to be done. They did not do it for pleasure or for leisure. It is great responsibility to take over.

BSPP may be the reformed civillian government. They had the military support. in 1988 militery took over. They did not intend to hang on power, but the situation demanded it. Whetever they tried to do. somebody was always there to mistranslated it, misinterpreted it. More over, they made Tatmadaw the enemy of the people. That was the last straw for the Tatmadaw. But as far as tatmadaw is concerned it was, " Mone Lo Mahote Phu - Chit Lo Bar Kwe ". Please understand that.

We have a lot to do for the progress and developments of Myanmar. Everyone will have jobs to do. , If we are busy arguing, fighting each other , there is no hope for the people no hope for the nation. That’s what we have been doing , and the result is Myanmar poorest nation , least developed country. Don’t you see that? We are all to blame.

Mr. and Mrs Know all , don’t they know that? If they don’t know yet. They should not take the place for leaders. Because they are leading the nation to disaster, pushing into the abyss. What you know or what I know is not enough , all Myanmars must know, all supposed to be leaders must know. Packing and counter packing with words , verbal attacks are wasting time and energies. We have wasted too much already.

Everybody needs ID. Members of ceasefire groups were living in the jungles far away from the reach of any government in Myanmar. At the times Myanmars were making the ID they were exempt. Now members of ceasefire groups, ot those who came into legal fold have all their legal rights including IDs.

You may remember, at the border of Myanmar and Bangladesh, ,many illegal activities occurred . During the invasion of India into East Pakistan then it was known, many Bangladeshis came into Myanmar as refugees. They did not go back and create many problems.

If anybody came in line with the exiting citizenship law, I cannot see any problem .All the governments of Union of Myanmar in the past and at present looking after and takes care of those who come into the legal fold, they were resettled they were given necessary trainings , rehabilitated, to be able to start their new life, including a certain amount of money.

It was sad story, in the past some of their leaders made them believe they are not Myanmars. They did not believe in democracy either.

If the Buddhist Monks copy the Muslim terrorists. Say FAREWELL to the Buddhism in Myanmar. Even now it is nearly a GOOD BUY for people like me. If we want to talk about Muslim terrorists, we may have to go back to along way. Let’s say these are centuries old issue. The nearest we can go back to is the Knight Templar who were called Crusaders and the Pope who sent them to middle east to slaughter the Muslims. That is another story.

Buddhism to flourish depends on the Buddhist Monks. They should not make themselves unwanted , undesirable kind in Myanma or in other country. They should confined themselves to the order, live by the rules. They are known as holy, and they should act like thus. Myanmar should not be run by the Monks. Look what happened to Tibet. I sincerely do not want the Buddhists Monks in Myanmar as “ San Kon Myay Lay.”

You may or you may not heard it, Bush and Blair have been called terrorists, by many people. They are worse than terrorists some people said. Demonstration and protest against them were everywhere. In these demonstration and protest Myanmars are not in. If these demonstrators and protesters did what Myamars did in Washington, the story may be different.

Here you must, try and understand and accept demonstration is demonstration, protest is protest, everybody has a right to demonstrate and right to protest in discipline and in order, they are not lawlessness, they are not chaos. Lawful assembly can become unlawful assembly if someone break the law or laws. Monks or not.

You don’t have to like SPDC. why you have no faith in the opposition? That is nature Because you are normal. But there must be some explanation. don’t you think? Don’t you think we should know why you don’t like them or have no faith in them There are so many things we don‘t like in the world. But lives go on. Black list is everywhere. Do you believe there is no black list in USA, no black list in UK or any other democratic countries ? They are everywhere, you have to believe it . The positive and negative will always be there , lets put it that way.

In some countries, they have enacted laws to hide the information. Public have no rights to to know or to seek that information. In time they may be allowed to know , but for a certain period that particular information is not for the public.

Media has a guide line, that means they are not as free as you may thing. Afghanistan and Iraq war. The media have to report after military censorship. No matter what the media will be saying. That is the rule my friend. If you do not abide by that rule you are out, you can shout . Some time news and information are deliberately leek , for a purpose. That is the only difference.

There is no such thing as freedom of the media, that is a bluff. Public have right to know, yes they may have a right, somebody in the authority has the right as well. That right is given to that somebody by law.

At present politicians are not teaching the people right things – they are just telling the people to support them whatever they do. They tell people just to follow them and not to think. They are telling the people
They represent truth and SPDC represent injustice. I don’t know who can tell us he or she represent “truth” except from “God”.

At the moment, the people are confused. I said it many times. Nobody is going to teach them. They are afraid to teach them. When you teach, the dos and the don’ts will all be there. If there are people who do not want to know the dos and the don’ts, who wants to teach them? Are you going teach them? Let them cool down a bit more, give themtime to think .

The people have common sense, we have to rely on that, the people knows what is right and what is wrong. We cannot not bombarded them with what we want them to be. W can let them know what they need may not be what they want. What they want may not be what they need, let them make up their mind the difference between what they need and what they want. If we do the right thing , the people will copy them for sure.

“ Justice or not , truth or false ”, you can’t measure them with the measuring tape or a yard stick. You can only measure it with your common sense, There may be laws, but they are not for justice. They are only the guideline to justice. No law can guarantees any justice.

MHK, I said the people should study the new constitution, it is better than the previous two, if not the best to start with. Opposition attitude of “ Hlay Nan Dah Htit “ and the oppositions behaviours in the forum is telling me that if they came to power they will be more draconian then SPDC or there will be no more Myanmar in the world map.

SPDC and opposition have the same aiming object, They are for the interest of both the people of Myanmar and the nation of Myanmar, they both said that . What is their difference they will only know. Why can’t they work together they will only know.

In my view, opposition have stated one time too many that they cannot work together with SPDC. For example NLD withdrew from the NC is the proof and evidence that they cannot work together with SPDC or with others who were in the NC. Elected member of NLD were taking instructions and obeying orders from a none elected Ma Su Kyi, what more do you need and what will you call it MHK.

You are absolutely right to say, the opposition see everyone who cannot agree with them are their enemies, who have different views from them are enemies. Opposition is the one who declared SPDC as common enemy , we have seen on all the TV channels.

There is a big argument in the British parliament to day regarding “ referendum “for EU constitution. When Tony Blair was the Prime Minister he promised that he will put to the people for referendum whether Britain should accept EU Constitution. But now Brit. PM is Gordon Brown. referendum is a thing of the past. G. Brown decided no referendum is needed.

I heard one opposition MF refer to SPDC and said that Military rulers goes to the people for referendum . And democratic civilian government , don’t bother . It all against the will of the people.

“ Da Jaung Da Gar Htar - Ta Ywar Da Bote San ” isn’t it.

Nice talking to you, regards,

Thunderbolts.

My dear MokeHimKha,

Though I would like to say “ let’s get on with it and see what happened” meaning, let us try and work with the new constitution and experience it. And then “ Lo Toh Po Shaw ”. again means amend it where it may be necessary. Let's get on with it may also be easy to say. So that to know what we are going to do, I need to elaborate a little more, because in your last discussion you stated that you do not like SPDC you also said that you have no faith in NLD and so on.

As far as I can see there are no other trustworthy person to take the responsibility of Myanmar. What about from the communists? Still unthinkable in Myanmar, isn’t it? In Democracy US style communists are devils, demons satins, evils, yet US cannot stay from the communists. Business as usual don’t you think? Communists are human and they have their right to have a place as long as they are playing the game within democratic rules.

This is another twist and turn MHK, “ Narr Hle Pyi - Parr Yite ” We Myanmar are the stupidos, idiotics. What are we thinking?

Though there are some who claimed to be royal blue blood of the last Konbong Dynast,. do you think the people of Myanmar will accept one of them as the monarch? Do you think Myanmars will sent for the decedents of Thibaw in Ratanagiri in India to accept the Myanmar Throne in Mandalay? Thibaw’s grand daughter Daw Tu Tu may have died, but her next generation may be still there. But sadly their fathers will be all Kalars commoners.

The old saying of “ Ayey Daw Bons” in those days is the same as military coupe or civilian coupe. “ Nan Lu ” was another word. Mindon and Kanoung robbed the throne from Bagan Min, and Myingun and Minkhondaine tried to rob the throne from their father Mindon after killing their uncle Kanoung Min. Those are parts of the Myanmar history. Do you see anything difference from now? The “ Ayey Daw Bons “ are nothing new in Myanmar MHK, nothing new.

Any way what I would like to say is, Thailand style constitutional monarchy in Manmar is out of the question in my view, because nationality or race of that Monarch will be subject to many problems. Forget about Daw Tu Tu grand children. Myanmar cannot be , can never be a feudal state any more, either under any monarch or under any ruler should I say.

SPDC believes and declared three objectives for future of Union of Myanmar
They are political , economical and social objectives as you are already aware.
What is that you cannot agree with, what is it that you don’t like about, for you to say you don‘t like SPDC ? You must have reasons. That is why I said it would be nice for you to explain a little bit more and the same goes on, with NLD.

With due respect MHK, it is very easy to say, the easiest thing should I say for any one to say, I don’t like this or I don’t like that . What is it what he/she likes. In the case of Myanmar. We all are talking about national reconciliation, confidence building , trust , unity etc. etc. We all know the needs of Myanmar. We all want to see Myanmar progress, peaceful, prosperous, developed, modern nation. These are not just words of SPDC , these are what we all want, these arre what we all are saying, these are what we all wish for, aren’t they?

Most of us who are living abroad would like to see Myanmar as a dream land. People in Myanmar especially city dwellers and town dwellers would like to see Myanmar more than what it is now. There is nothing wrong these are legit dreams and legit wishes. But they don’t know how to make it. They don’t want to change. When it comes to change they talk about their culture, traditions and customs or geographical position of Myanmar.

Do you think China has changed loosing its culture, tradition customs? Do you think Japan has changed to the stage that they have lost their identity?

If we study the whole world , in all other continents except Europe from the East to the west, from North to the South we will see there are human beings still living in the jungles, on the trees still naked. This is twenty first century.
They are still living on their own with their tradition, culture, customs etc.
They are neither museum pieces nor they are tourist attractions, they are real human in the reality. For example you will see there are some Padaung tribe of Kayin group in Myanmar and Thailand, they are the tourist attraction in Thailand.

It is difficult to say. Another thing is, the “ friends of the earth “ or the environmentalists who are defending the rights of those who are reluctant to change who do not want to change. Even if you want to go forwards, you have to consider a lot of things which you can not ignore or neglect.

Continuity and change can go together. We cannot stop Myanmar forward because of those who do not want to change nor those who are reluctant to change. We cannot draw back Myanmar from progress and prosperity, and developments because of these few.

Nevertheless, we were talking about Myanmar. We were talking about you don’t like this or I don’t like that. The leaders are talking about Myanmar and the people of Myanmar. Though they have the same objectives, I have no idea, not a slight idea why they can not work together, to say to be fare. The leaders are talking about the same thing, yet they don’t know where to begin.

Who will take the initiative, who will do it? I will do it, I will do it , I will do it. I, I , I and I. I cannot do it alone MHK, sorry I may be not qualified in many ways. But I know , even you cannot do it alone. You have to have somebody with you to do it together.

But I know in my heart why. In my view and in my humble opinion, NLD is the one which control by Ma Su Kyi which cannot work together with any others especially with SPDC.. Let’s forget about my view on Ma Su Kyi for a while.

That is why SPDC called for National Convention to lay down principles for a new constitution. Representatives and people from all walks of life. There was no , I, I , I there. They were altogether there. NLD was there as well. Unfortunately, with their own translations and own interpretation and when this I, I, I business came to the forefront, the people suffers.

You have read the draft of the new constitution, at least basis principles and detail principals. There is no I business there. everybody is equal rights. There is no such Bamar state or Bamar division, or Bamar Region. Where ales other Shan, Chin, Kachin, Kayin and Kayah , Wa, Pa O have their own autonomous or self governing State and regions. If there is some thing to be unhappy, Bamars should be the one who are unhappy, dissatisfied. But Bamars said nothing, like always. Besides Myanmar Tatmadaw consists of all nationalities in Myanmar. Not like Kayin Rifles or Kachin Rifles of Chindits which the Brits had created with their big ambitions against Myanmar or Bamars.
The fact is we are all Myanmar citizens , now. Myanmar is our only country.

Nationalism is out of date MHK. Have you notice that or not. I am sure it is becoming undesirable everywhere all over the world, whether it is in Myanmar or in the United States. That is why, citizenship comes up. We are all equal, we are all one people. What if KKK is still exits in the US, wher will Barrack Obama be to day?

In the coming Hluttaws ( Parliaments ) under the new constitution everybody will be there including delegates from defence forces, to work together, to check each other . That is because of the past experience. Besides check and balance is not a bad idea isn’t it? That’s also what the people want , transparent, accountability ? Let’s do it together we are all responsible for better or for worse.

Let's take a rest here for the moment, nice talking to you,

Thunderbolts.

Dear Thunderbolts,

Regarding SPDC

I said I do not like SPDC. Because there are so many bad and bitter things we have experienced and continue to experience for many people do not like SPDC. SPDC represents the Myanmar military. There are so many injustices due to the poor governance – you can not deny them, because these are the facts. I am sure also that even in the military, there must be so many soldiers and lower level officers do no like their military leaders. The military leadership is becoming a highly privileged class in Myanmar.
They have so many houses each (one house in each town of the country), they can have lands when and where they wish, while people are dying of hunger, children are demanding money on the streets. If I have to tell all it can’t finish not to mention abuse of power, misuse of laws. The decline of country’s economy is not only due to the economic sanctions, but also due to the mismanagement and high corruption of the current government SPDC. Still I am not talking about the crackdowns they have made to our people.

However, our military is our military – we all know that Myanmar army has done so many good things to the country. Yes there are good times and sometimes bad times for everything.

SPDC should seriously think of our people wellbeing and make necessary thing to improve daily life hardships. They should not finger at the sanctions only for all failure our country is encountering

Regarding the Opposition

I think you must have a general view of what I think of them (my previous posts). Look at now what the exiles politicians are telling the people living inside! I have just listened to RFA Sunday discussion. They made direct appeal to the people to boycott – even some of them were telling people should prepare for final victory like in 90 by voting NO.

What is happening in our country now? Both sides are taking the strong position and not compromising.
The opposition is pushing to another uprisings by profiting painful experiences in the recent demonstrations ( I will not repeat their reasons for pushing the people towards another uprising – already discussed in my previous post).

The opposition is really stupid. They denied to accept their defeat – so they wish people sacrifice for their failure. It is like when they lose they destroy what other construct whatever it is good or not.

I do not think and believe that this kind of people can lead our country into the good direction if they will be given political power to govern the country.

Now they are thinking of strong resolution in the UNSC because SPDC rejects all propositions by International Community. They are the people who never care for sovereignty.

Regarding Gambari

Gambari always come to the country only with demands in his hands never with offers. He should know that if he wish to have success in his mission, he not only put pressure on SPDC but also on the opposition side. Now he is pushing the SPDC to make concession, but why he does not ask opposition side to make concessions also? The opposition side must also make compromises such as their stand regarding 90 results and Aung San Suu Kyi’s status quo for the sake of the country.

Gambari should be doing his mission under direct instructions of US as said SPDC. Why did not he advice the opposition thinking of participating in the process of road map? By making big concession, we progress step by step if we want to be winners of the game at the end.

Our people are suffering so much, daily life hardships. I am afraid of another uprisings. I do not want any kind of uprisings at all, we have enough enough of this.

The opposition lose. I do not want our people lose with them. I prefer to let them lose themselves and not us.

Regarding Nationalism:

I don’t think nationalism pose a problem in our country. I don’t think Bamar are thinking we are superior to other ethnic people. I don’k think this kind of attitude ever existed in our country.
We should firstly bring altogether all people into the home, give to every citizen the feeling of home.
We should make disappear all IDP people – they will be re-established inside our country not into the other country.

However nationalism as whole should be existed to defend our identity, independence, culture, languages, religions, territories and national interests, etc…

Thanks and regards

Stupids and Idiots,

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" (killers) is most hated by the people of Burma?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" interfers into every walk of life?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" established and nullified the General elections in 1990 when their proxy party lost?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" is afraid of Chinese, Thais, Indians and even Bangladeshis?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" is a State Pimp and State Prostitute?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" exploit and destroy the natural resources of Burma?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" kills or muder Budhist monks, students, women and children without arms?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" is meddling into private affairs of its own people?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" kills their own kind, citizens?

Do you know your "Thutmadaw" rules by force, rape and arrests?

There are many things that you don't know or pretend not to know therefore you are regarded as an idiot, stupid, blind and deaf "San Cone Myay Lay" human being that confribute nothing but poverty, prostitutions, prisoners and slaves for your nation, your people. You are using words like "patriots" which doesn't belong to you and your "thutmadaw". Any patriot never allows his/her country to be a follower, poor and never kills his/her own innocent people regardless of what the situation is. The approriate words are home grown fascists, colonial military and dictatorship demons.

REF; 09/03/2008

Dear MHK

I hope we are not going round and round again. Playing marry go round.

Regarding SPDC

Very good MHK at least I know what you dislike about SPDC. That is the way it should be . It is one of the peaceful way of expressing, isn’t it?

As I have said before, it has nothing to do with like or dislike the SPDC. If SPDC is not there and if a civilian government elected by the people was there, these things could still happened, it is happening around the world, worse than Myanmar in democratic countries. The clash between those who have to uphold the laws and the laws breakers. There was no conflicts between the upholders of the laws and the laws abiding citizens

The law provides the right to demonstrate, the right to protest When the demonstration and protests went out of the line which means , when they got outside the laws, that’s where the bad and bitter things occurred. Bad and bitter things are undesirable. But these things do happened , for better or for worse. Look at this way, these bad things are for the bad to be better, and the bitter things are to be sweet, and the sweet things are to be sweeter. But they do happened everywhere, please don‘t forget that.

Demonstrations and protest in Myammar were led by the politicians. They thought it is necessary, Demonstrations and protests are everywhere, in every country. In some country politicians leaders lea the demonstrations and protests.

In Myanmnar it’s not like that the politician are not physically involved . This is their brain, they only created them , very few politician led the demonstration or protests. if you must know. No politician were in front of them or behind them. In actual fact those politicians are sitting in a far away safe places, directing the innocent people . The people, women and children, the monks agitators, aggressors and street gangs. etc. who were cleverly used by the politicians. Why did not the politicians come out themselves to do their own dirty works instead of hiring others to do, or even to die in their places?

In democratic countries, I have seen many demonstrations and protests they are mostly in order. . As long as they are within the laws, they are alright, as soon as they crossed over their lines, bad things and bitter things happened. Some people are arrested and taken to court and punished for breaking the laws at least for disturbing peace, you may have heard about it. People can be in prisons for many reasons.

The government of SPDC is not exception. Myanmar is not exception where military government is in place, unfortunately. Military rule is different from civilian rules. But even in democratic countries where civilian are ruling and when military has to called in because police could not control the situation anymore, bad things and bitter things happen. How bad, how bitter, depends .

Let me share my knowledge with you. When peaceful demonstration turn into violence, they will be asked to disperse peacefully. Then as a second stage, riot police will try and break them up, including, tear gas and fire brigade. Then warning shots will be fire over head and in the end to shoot straight into the crowd. All these are permitted by law MHK. The law is there , judges are there together will the authorities at the place of occurrence to issue necessary orders.

Section 144 of the Panel Code, is the law which said when people can not gather more than five. Still depends on what the intension of the gathering. A group people gong to Pagoda, Kyaung and school, these kind of intents are exempt.

Ignorant of the law is no excuse in any country. Living within the law, abiding the law is called ,“ DISCIPLINE ” . Knowing laws means knowing what you are doing.

I think I have said it before. Police have a right to restrict the movements of demonstrations, they can recommend, endorse or object or reject. Because they have tom protect the demonstrators as well as counter demonstrators. Besides they have their duty to protect the bystanders as well as the properties.

When a lawful assembly can become unlawful assembly? After the permissions were granted to demonstrate or to hold a protest march, rally, if demonstrators and protesters break the exiting criminal laws, causing criminal damaged to the properties and the security and lives of others , then it hads becomes unlawful assembly. There is when bad things and bitter things happened.

Organizers of the demonstrations and protests and those who are taking part must know what they are doing, whether they are crossing the lines or not. They must be extremely careful. Even to cross the railway level crossing , you must be extremely careful MHK.

Peaceful demonstration and peaceful protest have only the right to peacefully demonstrate and peacefully protest, nothing else. They have absolutely no rights to loot, they have no right to set alight cars and buildings , they have no right to commit any criminal acts. All rights are all framed., if you must know. SPDC, NLD, AFPFL< RC BSPP, never mine those.

In future democratic Myanmar, there will be demonstrations and protests of one kind or the other. As long as they are abiding the laws, rules, regulations and procedures they will be alright. I have siad it many times before.

Dear MHK,

It is all in your mine MHK. Whether you are an optimist or a pessimist.
I believe you have accepted the facts that why Tatmadaw had to take over. I can understand and see your point. Why you don’t like SPDC. MHK you must also understand that Myanamr’s situation was not normal. International community understood why military had to take over in 1958 or in 1962. They were amazed when Gen Newin handed back the power to U Nu after the election. For 18 months Gen Ne Win did what needed to be done. You could say that 18 months Gen Ne Win over stayed, It looked that way but, he did not , he over stayed with the permission of the Thant Shin Government. That was why I said it as a “ warning”, telling politicians to put the house back in order or else.

Military take over are necessity. some kind of a normal or common thing in nations such as Myanmar . You may have heard of other nations as well. Of course depending on situation and circumstances. Military take over is not just a picnic MHK. This is a great responsibility.

But where SPDC in Myanmar is concerned, the fact is, it has over stayed too long . I agree to that point. But it is because of all the circumstances and situations. They want to do some thing to take root. They have to do , they are the only institution which can do. If you are following the events of Myanmar since independence and during these years and look at them with your broad mind, you can see them very clearing, crystal clear why Tatmadaw had to do.

If and when situations and circumstances demanded a military take over will happen, as a interim government or a provisional government . The reasons for Myanmar military take over has been explained again and again by Myanmar military, accept it or not is another matter.

In my view from 1958 to 1962 situation and circumstances were improving gradually but not as fast as we like to under all circumstances. When the situation getting worsen, there was no choice military had to take over. The prospect of disintegration of Union of Myanmar, disunity of people in Myanmar based on race and religion. Remember U Nu declared Buddhism as the nations religion? All these provoked possible all out civil war.

Do you remember the partition of India and Pakistan? Do you remember Hutu and Tutsi of Rawanda and many other conflicts based on race and religion. Anyway we thought we had passed that kind of situation in 1950 -53 , but in fact it was like a spontaneous fire in Myanmar.

Dear MHK, Myanmar Naing Gan Daw was a combination of three Kingdoms only, namely Bamar, Mon and Yakhine. When the British took over , they created the nation back to a feudal states, especially Shan, Chin , Kachin, Kayin and Kayah. Though they have created as such, they are the only maters over them , they the British were the Overlords. That was all the problems that was the inheritance Myanmar was left with.

As a figure of speech and to the fairness, if there was secessions , Mon and the Yakhine have more right than anybody else in Myanmar. If you understand what I am saying. Kayin and Kahah started it and Mon and Yakhine were about to follow.
U Nu tried to unite the people again but he failed because of 1947 constitution. Right or wrong Gen Ne Win took over and abolished the 1947 constitution and he had done all he could. He did it his best but Myanmar was one fragile nation. No matter how honourable his intentions may be , if we the people do not try and understand and make difficulties for him he will failed.

Myanmar Military government cannot do it alone, NLD can not do it alone , most of all Myanmar cannot do it alone it needs international help. This international help is
in two parts.

One is to stop all the supports they are given to the opposition including to the armed insurgents. Another is to help to develop Myanmar for the sake of the people. If they stop at least the two, the military will have no reasons to stay that long.

A military government or a civilian government has to protect the people , defend the nation. To do its duty they have to use, police or military according to the seriousness of the situation.

If each and every one of us, including our political leaders can take care of the nation’s internal affairs , military doesn’t need to be a government. They have to take care of the external enemies.

In Myanmar military becomes government, so it comes face to face with the people., If it was a civilian, government military does not need to face to face with the people. But, the military c an not turn their back, or close their eyes, when the nation is falling into the abyss.

My dear MHK, I expect you to tell thru your own experience or I rather like to hear from you saying what you know, through your experience, not repeating what other are saying, what you really don’t know, hear say , which you cannot proof or have not a single shred of evidence against the military people. .

Like and dislike are always there. There is nothing to elaborate. Not only the military leadership in Myanmar . The civilian leadership in those days politicians were highly privileged class of people in Myanmar and in any other countries.

Ma SU Kyi is another privileged person for being the daughter of Ko Aung San. She is a privileged person at the moment even she is under house arrest compare to U Tin Oo. And others. These kind of people are everywhere MHK. “ Aristocrats, upper class” where do you think these words come from.

“ Poor governance ”, to compare with other nation Myanmar is poor and the governess may be poor. There is a big reason for it. Because the people around, including NLD is making everything difficult for SPDC to govern, disturbing SPDC, to ba able to develop Myanmar. You can deny if you want.

Supposed I give you no tools of any kind, and ask you to dig a well for me to get water.
for you and for me. Do you think you can do it without the necessary tools of any kind? I will worship you three times a day, if you can dig that well.

Economy in Myanmar is related to economic sanction, if you cannot accept I can not help you on it. If economic sanctions on Myanmar does not effect Myanmar’s economic, then what does? Why are they imposing economic sanctions on Myanmar if it is not effecting Myanmar ? Economic sanction is the most effective weapons of all times, in the past , at present, and in the future will be. This economic sanction is being used on other countries as well.

Lift all sanctions, invest in Myanmar without any strings or restrictions, then there will be some kind of economy for SPDC to manage. we will see SPDC can mismanage it or not. Besides since 1948 and then since socialist days Myanma’s economy is in the hands of Myanmar citizens. It looked like Myamnr’s economy was running like a motor car engine, as along as there is petrol in the tank, the engine is running, When that petrol run out in the tank the engine stops. Do you understand what I am saying MHK?

When British left, Myanmars was running it economy with the left over including some war Myanmars instead or running their economy efficiently, they were fighting among them

I will say this, whether you understand or not. Myanmars are not ready for anything, they rely and depends on others. They were not ready for democracy, they were not ready for economy. I am very, very, so, so sorry to say, Myanmars were not ready to run their own country. You know why. Because in all of their life Myanmars could not even run a home industry. They used to live off on the nature. They created nothing, even to go to the toilet they used to go into the bush to make it, they did not even built a proper toilet. They are still doing it by the road side. Let alone to build a nation.

You are talking about SPDC mismanagements. The people cannot manage themselves. MHK that is the truth. Next government will have a lot of things to do, how will they do it , we have to wait and see, through education, or through dictations. Through common sense or through fear? If hell has nothing to fear , everybody has to enjoy living in hell. We don’t need, Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed to teach us anything we don’t need their teachings

Sorry, MHK, the quality of the people will determine the quality of the nation.

Having said that, I don’t know when was the last time you have been back to Myanmar whatever progress and developments are there is because of some friends, whatever there are no progress and no developments are because of some foes. Friends have their limits to help Myanmar, they have to build their own nation as well. Their difficulties to help Myanmar as well especially when some big countries with big power are trying to enslave Myanmar, in the name of freedm. Freedom, what freedom. What is the meaning of freedom?

When Myanmar do not help themselves the help of other to Myanmar are wasted. I am afraid no one would like to help any more. Myanmar cannot be modern developed nation. It will be a nation with full of their own beautiful, culture, traditions, customs and their own way of life. Myanmar as a nation or Myanmars as people will become tourists attractions, museum pieces.

If you impose your will on me, I am not free. If I resist you and your will on me , you threaten me with this and that and make my life difficult , hard for me to survive, I have no freedom, I lost my freedom. If what you do infringe my freedom, violates my freedom with your will, even without any weapon. I don’t want to know about that freedom MHK, That freedom is not a freedom in my view or is it?

Dear MHK, now we have a new constitution ready. You have heard it from the horses mouth.( Spoke Authority Team)

The way I understand is that the constitution is like a social contract. We all sit together , discussed and debated and the agreements are put down in black and white , on papers and signed. That is named as the constitution, and we have to abide by it. There may be people who do not like it, that is the nature Like it or not is another matter, but what we need, we must have. It may not necessarily what we want. This constitution is not only for one person, not only for one party, not only for one group of people.

MHK, in the process of building a nation. Bad things and bitter happened in every single country. If you have time to study the history of the nations you will know about Myanmar.

If the SPDC or military government is not thinking about the well being about the people, well being about the nation , they should hold elections every six months, hand over power every six month and take back every six months doing nothing saying nothing. They don’t have to unite the people or to develop the nation.

Regarding the Opposition

I don’t need to say anything more about the opposition. I have said almost everything as I believed. You know that I don’t like them I have said many things about the opposition why I don’t like them and what I want them to do. I am not their leader, I cannot tell them what to do. I can only let them know what I do not like about them . Even I put myself in their place I can see no reason to destabilise the country politically or economically. Let alone to make the country in chaos and in turmoil.

Though I respect your views , “ Both side “ sorry I can’t agree. It is one side who NLD is refusing to compromise. NLD is refusing to go forward, instead it is trying to go backward. No matter how much . In my view there is nothing to discuss with Ma Su Kyi at all. In a figure of speech, Ma Su Kyi is not even an elected member. Other NLD members yes. I have said if NLD taking orders from an outsider such as Ma Su Kyi.
What do you think NLD will be doing if , that is if they have the power as a government? Are they going to invite America troops to Myanmar to deal with Myanma Tatmadw? Are they going to declare Myanma Tatmdaw as Taleban of Myanmar, Al Quaida of Myanmar or Sr. Gen ThanShwe as Osama bin Ladin?

Do you ewant to creat Myanmar to be like Afghanistan, or Iraq? Is that what NLD led by Ma Su Kyi is trying to do? That not my cup of tea MHK. .

Regarding Gambari

What can you expect from Gambari? Gambari is an envoy. You are right, an envoy should be doing what an envoy should be doing. As a matter of fact UNSG Mr. Ben Ki Moom himself is from South Korea which is the puppet of United States. United Nations it self is dominated by the US. United Nations itself is subject to threats and harassments from the US. United Nation itself is one sided since U.S.S.R broke up. If United Nations is unbiased . The war in Iraq would not have happened. Even its happening now United Nations can do nothing. That is the position of the world organisation which used to be call League of the Nations.

So Gambari may be an envoy, he has no power. He is just another robot. He has no rights to express his views , let alone to speak his mind. If he doesn’t like what he may have to do he c an quit. Concerned people will shake his hands saying “ thank you for your good services, here is a pocket watch for you made in gold, bye ! ”. What can he do, what can Gambari do ?

Regarding Nationalism:

The nationalism in our country not only pose a problem , but also create problems. our This kind of attitude have exited in every country, Myanmar is no exemption. It is a threat to the unity, it is dangerous. Myanmar had a very good experience on this Why do you think KNDO went into the jungle in 1948? Why do you think Shans took arms in 1958 and others? Though they have never lost their own identity in Union of Myanmar yet their nationalism and their nationalist leaders who were pushing them to take another route or to the extreme created many problems up to this day. It has exited it is exiting today. Thanks to Tatmadaw these nationalists from all nationalities in Myanmar are under control but who knows?

I was talking about nationalism which has nothing to do with the identity. If I had misled you, I am sorry. I am not going into details on this. But Bamar nationalists, Kayin nationalist. Chin nationalist, Kachin nationalist, Mon or Yakhine nationalists etc, etc. who are against each other or one another , ready and prepare to destroy the other . These nationalists are undesirable, they ,must not be allowed. I think I have explained to you, very clearly on this . We have seen in Myanmar once not long ago. You may not have had that experience, but I had it. That’s why I know what I am talking about. The wards such as “ Bamar Domination “ have been heard countless times. The word have been used by some nationalists. Bamars never tried to dominate anybody, you yourself know that. Kalr-Bamar roits, Tayote - Bamar riots happened.

In Union of Myanmar the word Union says itself. The word Myanmar said itself. I may be rightly or I may be wrong the so called civil war in Myanmar were caused by the Nationalists.

British and Japanese were driven out from Myanmar by the Myanmar nationalists. It was a necessity At the same time British and Japanese were helped by many other nationalists not in the interest of Union of Myanmar but in the interest of themselves, their own national cause. That is different , very different MHK.

In every country, these nationalists become extreme , that country is asking for trouble. In USA< there are KKK. In Britain and in Germany there are Nationalist Parties. Young generation with shaven heads ( Not Buddhist Monks with yellow uniform ) semi military style nationalist activists and their activities are the big concerns for the authorities of every nation. At the time nations are creating for multi racial society.
No you are right , Bamars never thinks that way, they are not supperior, if they do they don‘t show Who knows what’s in their mind to be honest.

During U Nu time, or U Ne Win time if you look at the Parliaments, the governments you will find nobody is dominating nobody in political sense, or in social sense either.

This New Constitution is everything you want everything you hope for. Every thing it needed in Union of Myanmar without loosing the identity of each and every individual ethnic people every race in Union of Myanmar. Regions, states, zones have their own parliament, they are their own governments , they c an do whatever the majority decide in democratic ways.

The world is peaking English as international language, there are French , Latin , and Chinese . Even in the United Nations English is a common language. As long as we can understand each other what we are talking about we will be OK whatever language we are using. Problems could be cause by mistranslations , misinterpretation.

IDP as I said, nobody is stopping them from coming back to Myanmar, They will be well look after . That they cannot take as the rights or privileges Are they going to the other side because they fear of Myanmar military or because they fear of their nationalist leaders (insurgents).

Let us look for the future. Now a reply from SPDC to Gambari is well known. Don’t you have nothing to discuss on that? Let’s hear it.

Have a nice day,

Thunderbolts.

Hello Thunderbolts,
I am a new member of AO, my profile is genuine except the name Polaris. I have been following your discussions before deciding to post my view. I do not owe anything to anyone, so I'll give credit where credit is due. I respect everyone even their views may differ from mine. Some would call you names, when your views are different from theirs and try to intimidate and discredit you because of what you write. I concurred most of the facts you wrote as we are in the same age group and have crossed that path in our younger days. I visit Myanmar almost every year. I love Myanmar and its people.One thing I pray for Myanmar is not to be governed by by emerging clone like Chalabi & Kazia.
Regards

Da Gar Gyi Polluted,

I think you are nearing to bite the dust. It does not surprise to see or hear a flock of endorsing militant rule around the world no matter where one resides. Pollution is here and there you know. It doesn't matter north star or south star or east star or west star. Pollution does not count direction. You know as well as I know the country called Burma or Myanmar (name change doesn't matter) is now in ruin. Even the true blood line of King Thibaw's grandson "Taw Paya" living in Pyin Oo Lwin (May Myo) laments about Burma's future. You can talk or write just like "Thunderbwats" but the truth remains the same. Burma is in deep shit!. The "new" military constitution which was done second time (1974 and 2007) was already doomed calling from International community to amend it! Do you know what's that means "Polluted"? Sorry I can call many names as I want for all these names fit that particular person or persons (includes you). One thing is for sure. These idiots dare not confront me one on one basis just like the Generals dare not confront Suu Kyi one on one basis for they all know they cannot face the truth.

Thanks for joining the side show polluted. Now I had another "retired" military officer or non militant or whatever to confront. I like confrontation. Long ago many years had past I wrote in OLD Asia Observer about how to tackle this cancerous regime spdc. I advice a soft approach like......................Naval blockage. No one listen to this day so what happened? Many innocent blood including buddhist monks have been spilled and killed or jailed. UN is respond with smack in the face. "Polluted" you mention you don't want Burma to be like Iraq (installed government) yes? Well Burma can never be like Iraq for don't you see that Burma and Iraq are totally different countries with different cultures, region and so on. Can't you see that? Burma will never be like Iraq even if Burma wants. Is there lots of oil in Burma to start with? As for Iraq I declare (on the net) when the capital city fall in 2003 I give advice to rule Iraq with marshal law or military rule for some years but same like Burma nobody listen and see what happened now? US Troop surge is done and improvment is seen. I want to eliminate the threat to peace FIRST and then do democracy/politics. No one listen so Iraq is in a mess. I had "warn" in the past and nobody listen so all have to pay the price now.
Look I don't care who you are and what your motives are for I am here to fight. Not deceptive notion like "disciplined democracy" where there is no laws to protect innocent citizens, where they can put to jail if you vote "no", where they can rape any female or the right to rape, where one cannot speak freely or criticized these militant home grown fascists and so on.
Polluted, I can go on and on but I already figured. You are just a feather of a same kind trying to flock together with the same kind.
You don't need to talk to me just like your kind. I understand. I am warning again now. If the junta proceed with their seven steps agenda, it will be the same like Ne Win's agenda for this flawed constitution will be nullified one day just as Ne Win's constitution is. It is just a matter of time. 10 years, 15 years it doesn't matter. What matter is................the failure.

Dear Polaris,

You are welcome. It's very nice of you to introduce yourself like this. It is not necessary. This is not my own forum though I am taking part regularly and speaking my mind. I have been called many names, I am still what I am.

We may have things to discuss though we may not agree in all. Your points of view, from your perspective, from your angle are for the benefits of all the Myanmars. I say this is for Myanmars because this part of the forum is " Burma " Myanmar.

Who knows, myanmar authorities may also be reading these messages. if you have a good point aimed for the nation and the people they might be making a note and making good use of itin the interest of the nation, in the interest of the people.

Aghanistan and Iraq, as you already know I will not take any more of this page as well as anmore of time. Myanmar is Myanmar . personally I will be against all leaders who will allow Myanmar to become another Afghanistan or another Iraq.

I will agree with you on this. No puppet of any one should govern Union of Myanmar. No one person should govern Union of Myanmar. Whether you will accept it or reject it, the supposed to be the New Constitution doesn't allow one person to rule or Myanmar to become puppet.

The peoples' power is vested in the Parliaments/Hluttaws.

Myanmar is a free, independent sovereign nation. Let the meaning of these three little words be known to all Myanmars.

With due respect I will say it again dear Polaris you are welcome, no matter what your views are, no matter you are a friend or a foe.

Because talking is nice to talk to people who knows how to talk.

Regards,

Thunderbolts.