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YOUR POINTS ARE MY POINTS UKM. 8 Months ago Karma: -5  
Dear UKM,

I am flattered . U Kalar’s Glass Palace is full of it. U Maung Maung Tin’s and Hteit Tin Htway’s are much worse, That is why I stick to my U Pho Kyar, no flatterings, no praising. But thanks , you are kind enough as you are. Like wise.

Why wait future, why not now, the future is not ours to see, you would not be there next moment, I would not be here next moment Leyt us get on and done with it.

Dear UKM I am not mad . I am still on the ground not over the moon. Let‘s say “ Mahote Thaw Le Apyin Pyay Paw “. Passing the time doing something useful , sharing knowledge.

UKM, The theme of Union of Myanmar and any other countries are Justice , Liberty and Equality. If you can give them to the people you will have unity. But there may be some people who are selfish, who wants more than their share. You have to deal with them.

Seriously, unity is a very rare commodity. Not only seeking by Myanmars. Everybody is seeking everybody is talking about it. Why ? Because they know they are not united. they know the value of unity. Unity is the strength, unity is team. If Myanmar has to survive this unity will help us. No job too small can be done alone where unity is concerned, sure of it. That is why some are trying to weaken that strength, to disunite , disintegrate others while they are trying to unite among themselves.

Why do you think Nato is enlarging its pack in this time when there is no more cold war? Why do you think EU is trying to united East and West European, at the same time they are trying to disunite others or trying to break others up? You guess is as good as mine. No matter what their intention may be good may be bad, they treasure the unity.

There is always one enemy too much for the West, simply because they are nervous , their own guilty conscience may be, They are afraid some body might get united and kick their arse..

It is difficult to say UKM. Myanmars also know that Unity is strength. They have done it before in the old time or in the modern time. But sadly they could not hold on to it , the unity never last, because of many factors especially when outsiders trying to get involve, under the influence , it is difficult for anybody. . That is why many times I asked who the Myanmars ?

If there is away to unite there is a way to disunite. What is the best way we have to use our own common sense. Pointing fingers at others is not the answer, analysis yourself, study yourself look yourself in the mirror carefully, then you may find the answer. When there are many ways to unite , there are ways to disunite. If you know both ways you can use them accordingly.

Many times in the world history, the conqueror did not know democracy or human rights. A nation could not be built based on democracy and human rights alone UKM. we have seen it in the world, we are seeing it in the world now. The preechers of democracy and human rights know that as well thay may not tell us , there is a little more. They don't have to tell me but I know.

By the way, did you know that during U Nu’s reign There were two Pya Zutts staged by the government to inform the people to educate the people. If I rember it correctly one was Waytharli , another was, “ Lu Du Aung Than ”. Waitharli showed how important unity is. And Lu Du Aung Than was how bad communism was. How much of that intention by the government got into the people’s head I don’t know UKM I simply don’t know. Blame me if you want.

UKM, A nation where there are Justice, Liberty and Equality has nothing to worry about insurgencies. But there are no nation in the world which has no thieves, no robbers no dacoits, no murderers and no rapists.

Insurgencies in Myanmar nowadays has no cause, they are the rebels without a cause remember. They are a little more than thieves, robbers, dacoits, murderers and rapists. They are also, drug traffickers , heroin producers. To protect their illegal business they have a private army. As they are doing business with outsiders they are supported by them , with funds, arms and other things . But they are thorns on the side of Myanmar for many reasons.

We know who those nations are , the world knows who they are. Never the less if willing, those nations could help Myanmar to eradicate, if not annihilate these illegal business which are harming young people around the world. The world also knows about the poppy fields in Afghanistan and in Pakistan and in Columbia.

For example public is informed that cigarettes can kill , they are health hazard . Governments have to spend a fortune to treat cigarette relating diseases. But no government, nobody try to shut down cigarette factories, not even one. Money UKM , money.

Nations which are at Myanmar borders should understand thoroughly, without a doubt what they should do to help Myanmar in the process of democratisation. Do I need to say what they should do? If they can’t do it, then let Myanmar do it. Allow Myanmar to do it. Let Myanmar do it in it’s own way and they have to understand Myanmar. Well, as the saying goes “ Myet Phu Seik Ley- Sayar Kyite Lay “ is another matter. They also should know especially, Thailand and Laos. drug and heroin are killing the younger generation all over the world.

The progress, the developments, prosperity depends on harmony. People living in the nation harmoniously . That is what SPDC intends to do, there is no such thing as impossible, there are things that we haven’t tried yet. As you already know insurgencies in Myanmar are draining the country. They are one way or the other connected with the outsiders, There are proofs and evidences in some cases . Though Myanmars want to annihilate there are certain things we cannot do. I use the word annihilate because we have negotiated peace so many times before countless times. How many times are there in your life time alone?

There are ceasefire groups in the National Convention . Which laid down basic principles for the New Constitution. These groups are still holding arms. They haven’t lay down their arms, they haven’t surrendered . That Convention is finished. The draftingbnof New Constitution is in progress.

During these periods, SPDC let them hold their arms. SPDC did not put any pressures on them , because SPDC doesn’t want to jeopardise confidence building. SPDC know people need to trust each other .

Now these groups have no more reasons to hold their arms. It is time to disarmed themselves, disband their groups, and prepare themselves to be ready to take care of their states and division affairs together with other leaders.

This is sensitive very, very sensitive issue . In the whole of Myamnmar history or Thamaing, as I have said many times, if there is a change of leaders, if there is a change of ruler or a change of government all these confidence and trust gone with them,. Don‘t ask me why UKM I don‘t know. I can only say in my own words, “ Thitsar Mashi Ja Buu “ , They don’t keep their words.

There are Thailand , China , Laos and India, Bangladesh at the immediate borders. Without finding out the facts some people are blaming Myanmars for invading other countries. Nobody blamed rebels against Myanmar. Look at the first Anglo Burmese war . Myanmar and Assam Manipure had agreements , Myanmars were asked to help , that is what Myanmar did. The same as US and UK and others are doing in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Who asked them I am not sure. Even under the present international laws what Myanmar did that time was legal, legitimate. British in India got nervous . Besides they were waiting for the opportunity to do it and they did it.

In the past. Myanmar in the pursue of the rebels resulted the war with the British. Myanmar in pursue of the Kayin rebels in the past as well as in modern time had a row with Thailand . AloungminTaya U Aung Zeya before he reached Thailand he was ill and came back and die on his way home.

With these lessons in mind, in this modern time when the rebels against Myanmar ran away into neighbouring countries and seek sanctuary. Myanmar could do nothing more. The rebels are protected by not only Thailand, not only by Bangladesh. But also by international community, knowing they are terrorists to Myanmar. But not to them.

Myanmar cannot keep its troops along the border permanently like South and North Korea watching without a blink. If they are there they have to be recalled to control riots , by students, monks and people in Yangon , Mandalay , and so on. Then the rebels came back in . And the whole circle starts again. Union of Myanmar is not only Yangon , not only Mandalay UKM.

Myanmars need to know all these . These are not fictions, these are not bed time stories, UKM, definitely they are not tall stories. Governments did not let Myanmars know all, because there may be some racial tensions. That is not desirable at all.

People can help Tatmadaw with their understanding. That’s the only thing Tatmadaw needs, understanding. People have no one, but to trust the Tatmadaw absolute trust is needed is for their own sake.

Myanmar needs more troops to guard the border areass. Tatmadaw needs more support from the people. Myanmar needs an understanding and help from her neighbouring countries as well it is vital it is essential. Myanmar needs a big understanding from the international community.

Governments of Union of Myanmar have taking care of those insurgents who surrendered or who realised that their way was not the right way. Without discrimination the governments have through rehabilitation programmes give them land and loans and training to start their new life. Unfortunately some of them think life within the law is much harder than being an insurgent.

Having said that, insurgencies in Myanmar is under control and it will only be disappeared if only Myanmar gets help from our neighbours and understanding from her own people..

The problem is, our neighbours themselves do not know what to do with them under international law. What law, you may ask.? Love them or loath them. Naturally rightly or wrongly our neighbours want a buffer zone between them and Myanmar. That is another problem.

UKM, the education we are talking about , includes what I have said above. Know your country, know your people , to start with. You don’t need to be an academic or an intellectual. For Myanmar to be , modern developed nation. You don’t need to be rocket scientist or space technicians. They can wait .

All Myanmar governments informed the people of what is happening in Myanmar. Why are these are happening. What they are doing. Why, these information do not reach to the people I don’t know. How many people take interest in them, I do not know. How many people do care, I am not sure. How many of them take it seriously, I have no idea. I don’t think they are serious about it.. So many don’t knows is not very good UKM, isn’t it? That’s what Myanmars are. They don’t want to know about it , they don’t want to find out about it. Too much preconceived theories and have made up their mind as, it must be Nga Pwa Gyi, can’t be anybody else. That is their attitude, that is their behaviour and that is Myanmar.

My dearest UKM, the education that we are getting from schools, colleges and university, since the first day we went to schools or during the period of between thirteen and fifteen years of our learning days are not enough. The education we had at the colleges and universities were not enough. Ther are more to learn this further education can only be at the “ Bawa Tet Ka Tho ”. The real education is or you may call it field education, practical will be in the world, in your life.

Nevertheless in teaching schools , colleges and universities education on Administration, Politic, Economic and Social Services etc., etc. in early stages will be of great help , That’s my preference.

But they can come out and protest against SPDC, they can come out and staged demonstrations against SPDC and they demanded this and that from SPDC. But they never protest or demonstrated against insurgencies against the rebels or they demanded to end these insurgencies.. So I don’t buy when they sell there is nothing they can do about it as far as insurgencies are concerned.

All the governments of Union of Myanmar have done so much the best that they could. on this problem as much as they can. Today all Myanmar 99.99 % is under the control of the government. You can travel Inter states, inter divisions, inter cities 24 hours a day including travelling at nights, without any trouble. Tourists can visit Myanmar safely. etc., etc.

The young generation you are talking about never lived through that kind of hard life They are lucky in a way. They have never came through that period , they are the fortunate few. We have to draw a picture what an insurgent look like for them . May be they are taking it as “ Mahote Thaw Le Apyin Pay Paw.” Not only they don’t believe it but also some of them make themselves insurgents especially some educated students from the TatKatho (Universities). And they are taking pride and proud of themselves. That is a real shame UKM a real shame and a great loss for the nation.

UKM, “ people don’t live on bread alone” you said it yourself the other day. What are the basic needs ? Food, shelter and clothing . They are abundance in Myanmar. Nobody died of starving, nobody died on the streets except in an tragic accidents, nobody is running around naked, deliberately to earn a living or because they have nothing to wear.

When you are talking about standard, class to compare, there is something to talk about. Healthy eating, healthy living, healthy wearing.

Myanmars by nature, “ Phyit Thalo Nay - Phyit Thalo Sar - Phyit Thalo They “. They don’t care how they eat, they don’t care how they live, they don’t care how they die. I think there is more to their nature. Their belief is “ Thadawar Takhu - Kan Takhu ” or fate. They leave everything to their fate. I can write volumes and volumes of books about Myanmars and their beliefs which are not helping practically. Yet, they are jealous of others being better than them. Myanmars forgot about " Kan, Nyan , Wariya Lonla."

I even went further saying that when we came out of our mother we were naked we had nothing on. Then we were provided with apiece of cloth, keeping us warm as warm as we are in our mother’s womb. And then onwards we are continuously provided by our parents, what ever they can afford. according to parents duties. Now we are demanding these provisions as our rights.

A child may cry, and demand what he/she wants, if the parent cannot afford it , they cannot afford it, as simple as that , the child will have to stop crying at one time UKM. The child cannot cray all the time. If Myanmar can invade Thailand, India, or China or Laos at least and exploit them Myanmars will be more free and they will have all their human rights.They are so much they have to dry them the sun like and store them in safe place as they have done to the fish and prawns or pickle them.

The people of Myanmar must understand what their basis needs are . Your arguement, saying they can’t live on food alone, fogeting shelter and clothing as well, then the defence have to rest. Because they are the basis needs. There must be God’s blessing in disguise . Myanmar have nothing to worry about these, compare to some other unfortunate nations in Africa.

UKM, Russia was again and again invaded by foreign power s, never fell. The war with Germany and Gregory Resputin was made scapegoat , made the reason, by the upper crusts and aristocrats when Bolshevik took over. U.S.S.R was a great and powerful nation, nobody dared to touch up to thin moment. Russia is democratic but people are leaving the country. U.S.S.R had socialism for over 70 years. Only to be collapsed because of the opportunist such as Yelsin. Not because of Gorbachov. That’s the way I see it.

People’s Republic of China is still a communist and it is practicing socialism . Great, big and strong as well. Nobody dare touch it.

Capitalism or Socialism take what you need. not what you want What you want may not fit into your society. But the truth is no capitalist economy or socialist economy will survive with out making profit. Making profits and profiteering are different. When you take care of the people’s need , that is socialism. Even Capitalist can be called socialist. No matter what the dictionary says Socialism mean taking care of the society, which is the people , that’s the easiest way to understand.

If you ,must know. When you go round Myanmar outside the big town and cities, you will notice, that the nature of Myanmars community are knowingly or without knowingly they are living under socialism if not communism. Ko Htu Ko Hta Sanit is the Myanmar word, without exploiting one another. Right or wrong I don’t know. Myanmars have been living like that for centuries if not millennium. Profiteering, never heard of it.

It could be said, it was because of U.S.S R . or China, Myanmar has to introduced socialism . It was all rubbish in my view, As I have said socialism was Myanmar’s nature. That was why most Myanmar leader were leftist either communist or socialist in modern terms From where it came I don’t know. Because communism and socialism are born only yesterday. It was said the Greek philosophers such as Socrates or Aristotle are the fathers of socialism. DO you know one of them even suggested handicaps are burden to the nation, they must be wasted.

My dear UKM, why are you saying all the right words? Family matters should be solved within families. No outsiders should get involve physically. Himmm & Hammm. or “ Taw Ja Naw - Lat Ma Lun Ja Zay Ne “ kind of help have to be appreciated , it should be welcome .

UKM you know Vietnam war. You know the Communist witch hunt in South East Asia by the United States. You know how Cambodia and Laos were flattened by the US indiscriminate bombing. Communist giants such as U.S.S.R and PR China were just watching . Making money perhaps.

The point is , Pol Pot and his gang were made scapegoats , to cover up US’s atrocities against Vietnam, against Laos, and Cambodia. To wash away US illegal wars against those small nations. Here you are seeing the MIGHT is right. Even today you are seeing with your own eyes. You know and I know and every living soul knows, leaders of all other nations know including Russia and PR China. We know more about US than before. “ The truth can never be hidden behind closed doors, behind the silk curtains or behind the iron curtains”. How the West was won, not by democracy, not by human rights. The MIGHT , who dares win.

Who dares to take US President George W Bush and ex British PM Tony Blair on charges of crime against humanitarian, war crime?

UKM, cover up, cover up and more cover up. Vladimir Putin said yesterday Russia will match up any weapon with US. Whatever that means, I don’t like it. I am worried for Eastern European countries. They will surely become battle grounds. In the war between Nato and Russia. Where will China be?

Geneva Convention was meant for Germany, Japan and their allies. If the Geneva Convention was for all. Then George W Bush . or Johnson or Gerald ford and others, Tony Blair and others are above the law. Are they exempt from Geneva Convention ? What immunity is that?

Because George W Bush doesn’t know where to stop does he? Or the US military experts will never stop. They have won the West, so they have to come back to the middle east and east to re colonise. I have said above Russia was many times invaded
French, Germany, French and British Russian repelled them with all cost.

“ There is no such thing as impossible, there is only things that we haven’t done before” You know who said it. It was Sayadaw U Kawthala who told Myingunn Prince, when he was young.

The west will try anything to get Russia and China .

You may remember during Konbong Dynasty foreign power tried to get involve in Myanmar internal affairs by force . They did not stop at “ Taw Ja Naw ” stage. In the end they took the opportunity on Myanmar disunity and took Myanmar . Whatever unity was there they broke it up and Myanmars are paying the price to this day. How many Myanmars realised that? We don’t have to look at Cambodia UKM. We can look ourselves. Colonialism is to blame. This ism is there and it has transformed into neo colonialism, I am afraid it is more powerful than ever.

No you don’t have to agree with me. That is alright, that is OK. The question is what sort of education they are after. What sort of education the parents can give to their children? Myanmar people don’t want education As long as they can read and write and calculate some sums they think they are enough. May be the circumstances and their situations demand it. Poverty.

It is a dream of every parent to have their children to ride elephants surrounded by the horses. Do you know what that means UKM. Let me tell you about my interpretation on this. Parents wants their children to be Kings and Queens who rode elephants, surrounded by the horse riders, nothing else. Very high ambition don’t you think?

At least they want their children to be Med doctors ( Saya-wun Gyi ) or to be Sit Bo Gyis( military officers) . That is why we have had too many med doctors and too many Sit Bo Gyis, more than we actually needed. We don’t know where to put them. The doctors don’t want to go to the States in Myanmar but they don’t mind United States. That is Myanmars. We are lack of other skill and professionals in other fields.
Your parents don’t want education for their children what they want is not what you and I are talking about UKM. You have to know that.

If I go round to every house and ask, of course they will say they want educations for their children Generally speaking you are right. Fourth standard, seventh standard, High School Finals. Colleges and Universities. Are count as school educational qualifications to start from something. Education is a wide subject UKM you must know. Because the parents are poor, the children have to help the parents. Looking after the cattle, looking after the field. Majority of the Myanmar people live outside town and cities, the places called villages .

I don’t understand what you mean by “ silent emergency. Did you mean to say “ silent majority “ ?

That is where I do not agree with you again. People have voices alright, they are making too much noise, they are too noisy, they are not talking not speaking they are just shouting, shouting too loud, nobody can hear them, nobody know what they are shouting about . They can harm not only their vocal cord, but their throat .

By the way can you hear me UKM, can you hear me well . Yes, you are hearing me. because I am not shouting at you , you are not shouting at me.That is why you can say that you have something you don’t agree with me or something you agree with me, We can hear each other very well, don‘t we?.

When was the time they were afraid, when was the time they kept their mouth? You tell me UKM. If they chose to keep their mouth shut it is up to them, nobody’s else’s fault. In some countries people go to special school to learn, how to talk. The technique of talking , how to eat, how to sit, and how to shit. Because there is nothing you can do without talking, you must know how to talk. You have to talk in the right way. Again because talking is the communication, you must know how to talk to communicate.

My dear UKM, most politician knows how to talk, they sit on a chair, hopping from one place to another and talk. Most ordinary people do not know how to talk. They go on the streets and shout and die there. Talking is a kind of trade it is a kind of profession. That is another kind of education UKM, another kind.

When the news media distort we can use our common sense. If you are fooled by the news media , there is no other fool but you. Knowingly that the news media has distorted is itself a great value , We don’t have to accept anything and everything media has told us or somebody has told us . I am not that religious person UKM, Buddhist said not to believe or accept anything without examining or study. I like that. Don’t you?

Ministries are inviting complaints. Every Ministry in Myanmar has complaint box. People can make official complaint. Not anonymous, not without signature, not without address. No slander, no blunder. Even in the daily news papers , at the ba ck pages, people are complaining about anything “ Luu Du Aaw Than ”. Government is investigating and do what is necessary. I remember there was a “ Hit Tain or a shouting post “ in the Bandoola Panjan nearer to US Embassy on Merchant Road.
It May be called a “ Shouting Post ”, but people did not shout to the top of their voice. They just made their points .

At the gate of Mandalay Palace there was “ Hit Tain”. It’s still there, if I remember correctly. where people submitted their complaints.

UKM, Myanmars have their own beautiful nature, tradition and culture. Myanmars were not savages without civilization. . Why don’t Myanmar use their own, why must they borrow someone else’s tradition, culture.

Did you know how many Myanmars were slaughtered because of they shouted too loud when Myanmar was under British rule?

Talking is the best, I think.

Thunderbolts.

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