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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 19  


Hijab solves the problem of sexual harrassment and unwanted sexual advances, which is so demeaning for women, when men get mixed signals and believe that women want their advances by the way they reveal their bodies.

 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 19  


Another benefit of adorning the veil is that it is a protection for women.

Muslims believe that when women display their beauty to everybody, they degrade themselves by becoming objects of sexual desire and become vulnerable to men,

who look at them as " gratification for the sexual urge"(Nadvi,8).


 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 19  


The western idiology of, 'if you have it, you should flash it!' is quite opposite to the Islamic principle,


where the purpose is not to bring attention to ones self, but to be modest.


Women in so many societies are just treated as s ex symbols and nothing more than just a body who "display themselves to get attent ion" (Mustafa).


A good example is in advertising, where a woman's body is used to sell products.

Women are constantly degraded, and subjected to reveal more and more of themselves. .




 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 25  
Linsi,

Is it why you have a veil on your face ?

Why is it in muslim countries that women are the most degrated ? I think to the girls raped on order of village councils in Afghanistan as the price of a revenche ? A girl in Pakistan has been gang raped as an honor debt because her brother had a non marriage sexual relation with a girl.

But generaly speaking, I am also against the use of the body of women to sold soap or something else.

Maybe because the body of women is the most wonderfull of what God did.
 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 19  


going back to the main topic, let us see
per paragarph what really is the meading of
all of these.




Liberation by the Veil
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/hijbene.html

Modesty and chastity , very important ideologies with Islam, are achieved by prescribing standards on behavior and the dress of a Muslim. A woman who adheres to the tenements of Islam is required to follow the dress code called Hijab, other synonymes are Veil, Purdah, or just Covering. It is an act of faith and establishes a Muslim's life with honor, respect and dignity. The Hijab is viewed as a liberation for women, in that the covering brings about "an aura of respect" (Takim, 22) and women are recognized as individuals who are admired for their mind and personality, "not for their beauty or lack of it" ( Mustafa ) and not as sex objects.





i hope i can get some comments before i give
my own which ruth has contributed some of her thoughts.



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I think Respect does not go with covers. Respect is earned
and not taken in an instant due to coverings of all sorts.-
A woman can dress fashionably and still earn respect by the
way she lives her life. When she knows how to respect others
and she knows how to be respectable.
<br><br>Post edited by: linsi, at: 2007/07/26 14:02
 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 12 Months ago Karma: 19  
linsi wrote:
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Liberation by the Veil

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/hijbene.html

Modesty and chastity , very important ideologies with Islam, are achieved by prescribing standards on behavior and the dress of a Muslim. A woman who adheres to the tenements of Islam is required to follow the dress code called Hijab, other synonymes are Veil, Purdah, or just Covering. It is an act of faith and establishes a Muslim's life with honor, respect and dignity. The Hijab is viewed as a liberation for women, in that the covering brings about &quot;an aura of respect&quot; (Takim, 22) and women are recognized as individuals who are admired for their mind and personality, &quot;not for their beauty or lack of it&quot; ( Mustafa ) and not as sex objects.





in this paragraph

the dress code when worn is an act of faith eshtablishing
a muslim's life with honor, respect and dignity thus recognizing women as individuals because of the covering.


does it all boil down to dress coding? and covering?

 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 11 Months, 1 Week ago Karma: 19  


As we wait for women particularly the muslim women to reply
now we go to:



The European/Euro-American &quot;Resuce&quot; Mentality and the Harms Toward Asian women


Maybe European/European American men ought to do more rescuing and liberating of European women at home. From historical precedent, Asian women seem perfectly capable of doing it for themselves. This white Western attitude of &quot;Asian women are better off with us&quot; is an ethnocentric assumption that is insulting to Asian men as well as Asian women.


On the contrary, the white man's stereotypes of Asian womanhood and the accompanying assumption that he is the best choice for Asian women has proven disastrous for Asian women living in predominantly white societies. More than half of respondents in a Playboy survey listed the race of their preferred sex partner as &quot;Oriental.&quot; Many Asian women relate incidents of sexual harassment and even sexual violence which were explicitly race-related. Asian American groups have voiced concern over media stereotypes of Asian femininity fueling sexual assaults against Asian women by non-Asian men. Unfortunately, their views do not get the hearing they deserve.




this is quite debatable, i just hope our ladies here would share their thoughts, i personally think that statistics
together with personal experience not only to self but to friends would enlighten us more in this kind of stereotyping.




 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 11 Months, 1 Week ago Karma: 19  


i was just thinking,.....this stereotyping led to what has been a clamor for &quot;made to order brides&quot; between western/european men and asian women-
on the contrary, i've got to read more about muslim women who i think never indulged in getting into this western/european men rescuing asian women.

muslim women has been confined to their men unlike other asian societies.

there was a time when asian women are looked down upon by friends when they marry white men, and even today when asians learn that a woman of their own is married to a white man-
they disdain it and would we say &quot;discriminate&quot; due to such choice?


let us share thoughts in a series about this article..
http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2000&amp;x=asianwomen



<br><br>Post edited by: linsi, at: 2007/08/19 13:29
 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 10 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 19  


More about women...


Why most women shun powerful positions


PETALING JAYA: Most women shun from assuming powerful positions because of family obligations and commitments, said Deputy Finance Minister Datuk Dr Ng Yen Yen.

“The biological and motherhood roles of women are some of the factors that put women off from sitting at the top of the management level,” she said.

It won't be easy but a balanced proportion of men and women in top management in all industries would be a nice achievement, she said.

“It is surprising that 67% of varsity graduates are female and yet, when it comes to the workforce, it is the complete opposite.

“Most of these top management posts are still dominated by men.

“For instance, in Parliament only 10% of members are women,” she said after launching the Merdeka Craft Fun Fair here.

Dr Ng, who is Wanita MCA chief, was commenting on party secretary-general Datuk Ong Ka Chuan’s statement that women deserved more than the 30% quota the movement had asked for in the decision-making level.

On the fair, Dr Ng said the effort and initiative put in by the students of The One Academy to build the “Sens of Pride,” a three-dimensional Malaysian flag created from 70,000 pieces of 50-sen coins, was a clear reflection of the Merdeka spirit.

The fair is on until Sept 2 at the Sunway Pyramid shopping mall concourse area.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/8/30/nation/ 18733462&amp;sec=nation




 
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Re:Woman a mere object ? 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 19  


Discussingabout veils, specially with afghan veiled women-
i think this article ironically describes something else


http://www.rawa.org/women.html




A report by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) on Afghanistan's female prisoners and their social reintegration drew attention to their dismal condition in a country where women face acute discrimination.

Not only are an estimated half victims themselves, but they are further victimised by the criminal justice process.

Subjected to sexual and psychological abuse along with violence in their marital home, many girls run away. And when they come in contact with Afghanistan's criminal justice system, instead of receiving any protection, they are seen as offenders and convicted.





An excerpt: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/655AB518-EC39-4226-A8AD- 126B048536D4.htm



 
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