Dear Jac
Nice to hear frm a kind and objective person like u; )though there still exist some language gap between communication,but simply ok.i never being hard work with my eng,as long as i got passion with one thing,i m learning german,which gave me lots energetic and let me found english's original editon; )
I know many foreigners dont know the real China,and we even we no longer be friends since they insist things i cant stand...Also some of them very like me that i m not move following mass,one of them told me,when he said taiwan is a country,i almost kill him,yes,i m serious and sensible with this issue. Finally he said it's ur country's business,we cant give a judgement,besides we dont know the the truth...and i think it's ok for a foreigner's attitude.As for taiwan,frm ancient time it's already one part of china,just some people for their own political power want being the highest leader of a country.Normally one want being the leader is not wrong,but for the whole country or most people's feeling,it really hurt.Sadly we must give good reasons for unify,frm my feeling,i sometimes really being hurt,image the mother give birth to babies,but there are people even some of the babies themselves dont acknowledge her!!!and let her give out good reason,what a thing!
I know the enviroment gives strong effects to the people,so many people very stubborn and even become numb and stupid... it cant been avoid,i believe there must be some ways need to use that seemed as force activities.
Because there exists this kind of peopleome chinese people going abroad could people frm hong kong or taiwan,and they found they dont want tell people they are frm China,instead they tell others they are frm hong kong,taiwan... they are cold people,and i look down of them,now china become have much power in many area,and i m sure many of them must like tell people they are frm China. See,for this kind of people,need we give a good reason to tell them their counry is China?just when motherland give them honour they like tell they are chinese...
It's also can be part of reason that our media being controlled,but one thing it's no dounbt right,always keep the fresh of the leading group. So that it avoids that a man who is leading a country with update ideas. Not a country could suffer a big wrong decision of leaders,that's horrible...
In my life i really have little interesting with some politics issue,i think it's just several people's game...but when people talk about these especially foreigners i have to be serious and take care the situations,lucky my grand generation are all frm army and navy,and my father much very into politics...i always heard things frm him,but i never believe others so easily! World is much bigger than i know,now i understand one thing,people cant be so narrow,just think of things arround himself,there are many problems and people need many others care,and dont just think about self.Also as a person should try to hold critical thinking of our country,be awareness and responsible. That's my point.

Dear Kyli,

I never met a Chinese who pretended to be from Hong Kong or China. In any case it could be easy to guess that he (or she) from.

Taiwan is a very sensitive subject. In my university I deliver a lecture, among a lot of others, on the history relations between Taiwan and PRC. So, last year I choose this subjet for the final exam. Several Chinese students where furious. Don't loose your foreign friends for that.

Mao and Jiang Jieshi agreed on one point : there is just one China. There was a small difference : the two said "I am the boss of all China" It's why it was impossible for the others countries to have dual diplomatic relations with both of them as it was the case for Germany or the two Korea.

The problem is that, in Taiwan, there is less and less people who came there from the continent in 1949. This people wanted reunification. Since 1988, the leaders are from Taiwan origin.

Since 1895, Taiwan has been under Beijing rule, only from 1946 to 1949, with Jiang Jieshi as a leader.So for a majority of them they think they are fom Chinese origin (as Singapore people) but not Chinese citizens. They are rich, they have all kinds of freedom. They don't want to loose that. What is their interest to reunification ? It's why I told you "give them good reason to want reunification.

For some personnal points, I will send you an E-mail

Dear Kyli,

I never met a Chinese who pretended to be from Hong Kong or China. In any case it could be easy to guess that he (or she) from.

Taiwan is a very sensitive subject. In my university I deliver a lecture, among a lot of others, on the history relations between Taiwan and PRC. So, last year I choose this subjet for the final exam. Several Chinese students where furious. Don't loose your foreign friends for that.

Mao and Jiang Jieshi agreed on one point : there is just one China. There was a small difference : the two said "I am the boss of all China" It's why it was impossible for the others countries to have dual diplomatic relations with both of them as it was the case for Germany or the two Korea.

The problem is that, in Taiwan, there is less and less people who came there from the continent in 1949. This people wanted reunification. Since 1988, the leaders are from Taiwan origin.

Since 1895, Taiwan has been under Beijing rule, only from 1946 to 1949, with Jiang Jieshi as a leader.So for a majority of them they think they are fom Chinese origin (as Singapore people) but not Chinese citizens. They are rich, they have all kinds of freedom. They don't want to loose that. What is their interest to reunification ? It's why I told you "give them good reason to want reunification.

For some personnal points, I will send you an E-mail

Dear Jac
Understand what's ur meaning; )))
Here i again to highlight my point,i think i didnt make it clear be4...
The facts u have given out they are all right,but no matter how superior taiwan people feel,that's cant be the reason they dont like this area back to his motherland China!!!
It's an issue relating to personal quality,if ur motherland really in ur heart.
Exp:the time around 1949,i cant give the exact time,but that's not important,there are many chinese scientists abroad,some of them insist back to mainland for giving distribution to the new China,and that's the time motherland really need them. Also there are a certainly amount of scientists didnt back,why?they were think they can have much better opportunity for personal achievement,and honour...here no need to compare the two choices' differiences,but have to emphasize that those scientists who were back to China,many of them are really intelligent and got much possibility get great honour in the world for their study area.Beside america at time promise to some of them if they could stay in america,they will have a very very good condition for their life...can u image what was the emotion those scientists hold at that time,they decide backing to motherland where there is the places give birth to them and rise them for their growing! It's not like chose what kind of life u want,or finding jobs in a company,it's absolute. Many chinese abroad or living in taiwan,hong kong,they need to learn frm those scientists,is that the reason that weakness of the mainland,and they want away frm it??? Now china got much developed,and some of them changed their mind partly,why they now got some changed? For ur motherland u should never think down to it,and willing to devote urself to it,no complain,no no...if people say no,i m sick of those persons.
Here really rare people know China and people's feeling,it's also nature,one is because China complex,many cultural things,history,and languages hard to understand,i mean hard to got a good concept with them.The other reason is we are humble and tolerate,it's true,as for chinese kong fu,not any country could compare no matter frm skill or history,though janpanese and korean those kong fu are famouse and porpular.
Anyway,here the topic is about human rights,people cant got a right concept situation in china,how can they give words to it?i m not mean u,here is discussion,i m pleased that i could discuss with others. oh,as for lossing foreign friends for debating issues of China,i understand u,but i m right; P,because friends also need to choose,i choose people who got same ideas of serious issue in my heart,if not it's no meaning to talk more...
kylie

I never rise the Taiwan issue with Chinese friends because I know they all are very sensitive to it. I din't rise it with you, you did.

You think that China is the motherland of Taiwanese people. But what the taiwanese feel ? It is not inevitably what you have been learned to think. You know, I look that question from an outside position. It's why I always talk of Taiwan problem with a neutral position. I just analyse the two side position and in Taiwan the three positions (reunification, independance, statu-quo)

A lot of Chinese fled China in 1949 because they were afraid of communism, not only to have better position elswhere. But some scientists came back by patiotism to help the new China to rise. For instance the fathers of Chinese nuclear weapons came back from USA and France with all that they learned there.

At the beginning of Chineses students abroad, they at 90 % try to stay abroad. But now, they all but some fiew want to returm to China because they think they can find a good job generaly in a foreign companie. They dont come back by patriotism. They come back because China is their cultural environment. So If they can got money in China, they prefer to be there.

Just to make Maro2007 out