: lot on their country. Wihout freedom of press in
: your country, how can you have a free point of view

Jaqcues is making a very good point about the freedom of expression, to which I would like to add the freedom of impression:

That is, the freedom to receive what others are saying. Really this is freedom of information, which contains freedom of expression and freedom to listen to which is being said.

China needs for instance to lift the ban on satelite TV dishes. That this ban is mostly ignored by citizens and police alike is not a good excuse for not lifting it altogether.

Thanks Igor, I have been happy to discuss with you on these serious subjets, even if our points of view were very opposite.



Just a question : Technically, how can you insert an article or a part of forum response in your own answer ? I cannot do that.

: Thanks Igor, I have been happy to discuss with you
: on these serious subjets, even if our points of
: view were very opposite.

I am not so sure we even have all that opposite views. I think we will agree on almost everything if we just talked through the issues.

: Just a question : Technically, how can you insert
: an article or a part of forum response in your
: own answer ? I cannot do that.

Cut & Paste.

Hi Kyli,

I am obliged that I completly disagree with you. Why China can give her point of view on what append in our countries and we cannot ours on yours ?

I learned Chinese and love your country for more than 30 years. But I am not satisfied by the laogai and hukou system. I disagree that workers cannot have their free elected representatives.

I agree that it is thank to the CCP that China is what it is now since Deng Xiaoping took power. I reconize that in a a so big country, it need a strong power, but why Chinese people are not authorised to see what they want on Internet ? why if you critise the leaders you can been send 3 years to laogai without the right to be defended by a lawer ? Why as all the catholics in the world have closed relation with the pope, the chinese ones cannot (even in Cuba the have been) with the chinese people cannot choose their representatives, even inside the CCP ? Why, you the young generation even don't what happended during the Cultural revolution and during the Tian'anmen events ?

Yes I love China for now 40 years, and to my Chinese diplomats colleagues and my Chinese students, I repeat that a more open CCP would give a more democrative way inside itself without endanger it.

I think the first step is a more democratic practice inside the PCC. I also think the condemnation are too heavy for the ones who dare to give their views.

Why, you the Chinese are not free to express you point of view on every thing in your country or in the world ?

On Asia Observer you can said that foreigners are not habilited to critize the Chinese governement, but on what Chinese website I can said that I desagree ?

Hi Kyli,

I am obliged that I completly disagree with you. Why China can give her point of view on what append in our countries and we cannot ours on yours ?

I learned Chinese and love your country for more than 30 years. But I am not satisfied by the laogai and hukou system. I disagree that workers cannot have their free elected representatives.

I agree that it is thank to the CCP that China is what it is now since Deng Xiaoping took power. I reconize that in a a so big country, it need a strong power, but why Chinese people are not authorised to see what they want on Internet ? why if you critise the leaders you can been send 3 years to laogai without the right to be defended by a lawer ? Why as all the catholics in the world have closed relation with the pope, the chinese ones cannot (even in Cuba the have been) with the chinese people cannot choose their representatives, even inside the CCP ? Why, you the young generation even don't what happended during the Cultural revolution and during the Tian'anmen events ?

Yes I love China for now 40 years, and to my Chinese diplomats colleagues and my Chinese students, I repeat that a more open CCP would give a more democrative way inside itself without endanger it.

I think the first step is a more democratic practice inside the PCC. I also think the condemnation are too heavy for the ones who dare to give their views.

Why, you the Chinese are not free to express you point of view on every thing in your country or in the world ?

On Asia Observer you can said that foreigners are not habilited to critize the Chinese governement, but on what Chinese website I can said that I desagree ?

Hi Jac
Firstly i m glad that u got love with China and our culture,taking care of issues of China.
I m not very much into talking about politics,and some social issues,normally i dont care so much about them,but when post forums related these topics i m 100% serious.I will try to tell the truth and explain clearly.There are some points i want make them clear!

1 I never meant u cant speak what u think on the web,i m just sad my mother land been said as a very old style and it seemed as an very obviouse impression of here people; ((( ok,i m not childish,i can learn to tell reasonable words. Frankly say, i m very clear what type of our country's mass media,what they say and report on TV news really been controlled,pls be dialectical to look at it,u can say it's not open and narrow,because no right and false to spread information to mass,don't u think each country for their TV news have a strict selection? Each things our leader think about it’s not just one part or one aspects,the management fot main group is the most right and effective.

2 Again,have to say the way of chinese people’s thinking absolutely differ frm other countrys’ people.Frm anicient Chine we already have achievements within many aspects,here I particularly metion things in terms of philosophy,I don't need to intro those thinkers,because they are very famouse even for people who heard about a litter about them. Their philosophy already became deeply ingrained in people’s minds in some aspects,also many foreigners do efforts to learn them and really found out it’s very useful for them.(here no need to give exp…) However no doubt that it’s not suitable for current dynamic world,but we are try to get the better or best way between our old wisdom and nowadays world. If not, we cant walk into today!!!

3 No doubt our government mostly doing a good job for country’s development.Attention: I mean the main stream is absolute right. There are things u cant think about them,and let me explain for u. We have improved army power and some techs,those are absolutly not threaten for others,they are for defence,and stableing and country.in the past we always been limited frm other countries,but now we have many opportunities to consult with others! Besides China absolute plays a very important role for world peace development!!!Check our history ,china never go to other country’s to make damge(I forgot how do say that eng word),on the contrary,our becautiful country had been hurted for many times. We are very clear what is peace and what is rights for people! And our policy for outside is we seek common develepment,and never put hand on other countrie business!(don't like some others are greedy) Here u cant judge things by small point,within a big country there are lots things need to be improved and innovated,but what’s the most urgent,what’s the main problem frm comparation,the leader have to think about these,because the power and money now are limited,and change people’s minds also requries time,so that have to think about the most people’s feelings, rights and benefits,and cant avoid many different voices and rumour…it’s nature,but don't judge things stupidly,also I believe things when they become mature need time. I m also hear frm my e-business teacher, who got a MBA and has a rich experience working in westen countried companies,he told me,human rights really being lacking of in some westen coutries,there are places really don't have much human rights…I m amazing why some of people think China as the model of it. I think it’s like people who think Taiwan as an independent country,they are all stupid without mind. China is one of rarely countries performance for most people’s rights,it’s true,and we are also don't refuse innovation,never.

I don't think i m a nationlism.i m just tell the truth.

i know many people(foreigner)remember the part history of china,why u dont be open to think about china,jump out frm the old concept,besides they are really not chinese style,i m not an history expert,but i can make sure that history is various,and nothing can deny their existence,if people grip some of our history,i m also surgest Richard Zaks,who gives the real history of westen wolrd.

Hi Jac
Firstly i m glad that u got love with China and our culture,taking care of issues of China.
I m not very much into talking about politics,and some social issues,normally i dont care so much about them,but when post forums related these topics i m 100% serious.I will try to tell the truth and explain clearly.There are some points i want make them clear!

1 I never meant u cant speak what u think on the web,i m just sad my mother land been said as a very old style and it seemed as an very obviouse impression of here people; ((( ok,i m not childish,i can learn to tell reasonable words. Frankly say, i m very clear what type of our country's mass media,what they say and report on TV news really been controlled,pls be dialectical to look at it,u can say it's not open and narrow,because no right and false to spread information to mass,don't u think each country for their TV news have a strict selection? Each things our leader think about it’s not just one part or one aspects,the management fot main group is the most right and effective.

2 Again,have to say the way of chinese people’s thinking absolutely differ frm other countrys’ people.Frm anicient Chine we already have achievements within many aspects,here I particularly metion things in terms of philosophy,I don't need to intro those thinkers,because they are very famouse even for people who heard about a litter about them. Their philosophy already became deeply ingrained in people’s minds in some aspects,also many foreigners do efforts to learn them and really found out it’s very useful for them.(here no need to give exp…) However no doubt that it’s not suitable for current dynamic world,but we are try to get the better or best way between our old wisdom and nowadays world. If not, we cant walk into today!!!

3 No doubt our government mostly doing a good job for country’s development.Attention: I mean the main stream is absolute right. There are things u cant think about them,and let me explain for u. We have improved army power and some techs,those are absolutly not threaten for others,they are for defence,and stableing and country.in the past we always been limited frm other countries,but now we have many opportunities to consult with others! Besides China absolute plays a very important role for world peace development!!!Check our history ,china never go to other country’s to make damge(I forgot how do say that eng word),on the contrary,our becautiful country had been hurted for many times. We are very clear what is peace and what is rights for people! And our policy for outside is we seek common develepment,and never put hand on other countrie business!(don't like some others are greedy) Here u cant judge things by small point,within a big country there are lots things need to be improved and innovated,but what’s the most urgent,what’s the main problem frm comparation,the leader have to think about these,because the power and money now are limited,and change people’s minds also requries time,so that have to think about the most people’s feelings, rights and benefits,and cant avoid many different voices and rumour…it’s nature,but don't judge things stupidly,also I believe things when they become mature need time. I m also hear frm my e-business teacher, who got a MBA and has a rich experience working in westen countried companies,he told me,human rights really being lacking of in some westen coutries,there are places really don't have much human rights…I m amazing why some of people think China as the model of it. I think it’s like people who think Taiwan as an independent country,they are all stupid without mind. China is one of rarely countries performance for most people’s rights,it’s true,and we are also don't refuse innovation,never.

I don't think i m a nationlism.i m just tell the truth.

i know many people(foreigner)remember the part history of china,why u dont be open to think about china,jump out frm the old concept,besides they are really not chinese style,i m not an history expert,but i can make sure that history is various,and nothing can deny their existence,if people grip some of our history,i m also surgest Richard Zaks,who gives the real history of westen wolrd.

Dear Kyli, my friend,

I am inpressed you spent so many time to answer to me, and I hope a lot of people will read your letter. Your a typical Chinese young. I have a lot of Chinese students in Fance and we discuss a lot. As you, they are not attracted by policics and generaly after my first lecture some ones are angry, but at the end of the university year they all elect me as their best professor.

Now, I will try to anwser to your points. I will just speak on France

1)Yes our media are completly free. For the just past presidential election, we had 14 candidates. the TV where obliged to give the same time of speak to every one, from very tiny to main parties. There was all king of candidate, among them the communist party, the trotskyst, the maoist... We have a lot of newpapers expressing freely all style of political positions.

It not the case in China. If a journalist write something that put off to authorities (often local authorities he loose his job. If a student give an independent political point of view, he is immediatly expell. When an environment activict said that a non-pollution certificate given to a town is wrong, the leaders of this have no problem, the man in jailed. When one of your doctors denounced blood contamination, she lost her job and have been in house of arrest. Later, with the expention od AID, the governement recognize she was right, but she was deny to go abroad to receive a reward. The main case of your media 100 % under control. When Deng Xiaoping went to Shengzhen in february 1992 and deliver his famous sentence "It is not a shame to be rich" on the evenining on CCTV meiyou, in Renminribao, meiyou, in jiefang Ribao, meiyou. All the word new that immediatly except the Chinese lerned what he has said. When the Jiefang Ribao published it later, the editor has been sacked. It only after three weeks (and a strong action of Deng) that the media were authorized to publish the news.

2) I know well your history and the different old philosophies that always up to now make that your are even in the currents days. I teach that every to people going to work to China : Culture and mentality, how to communicate, to work, to negociate... with Chinese. I know how strong they are always important even now. I used to said, "China is not a nation, it's a civilisation. And I can said, Chinese people have some values that infortunatly have been lost in our countries. I think that your old values are not incompablibe with modern word.

3)I never said that the Chinese government is not doing a good job for his people, and I am very impressed by him. I very appreciated Zhu Rongji who I met two times and I strongly think that Wei Jiabao is the right man at the good place. But I also think all that good things could not be endangered by a little most freedom for Chinese people and even I know the necessity of stability. I agree that China is not a military threat. Taiwan is another question. In establishing diplomatic relations with PRC, we all recognize that Taiwan is part of China. But we don't want the reunication made by force. You have to give Taiwan population good reason to reunificate.

You can be nationalistic. I am proud of my country and you have to be proud of yours. When China sent a man in space, all Chinese in PRC, in Hong Kong, in Taiwan, in the US and Canada where prouds as all the seeds od the dragon in the world... and I was too as a closed friend od China

Dear Kyli, my friend,

I am inpressed you spent so many time to answer to me, and I hope a lot of people will read your letter. Your a typical Chinese young. I have a lot of Chinese students in Fance and we discuss a lot. As you, they are not attracted by policics and generaly after my first lecture some ones are angry, but at the end of the university year they all elect me as their best professor.

Now, I will try to anwser to your points. I will just speak on France

1)Yes our media are completly free. For the just past presidential election, we had 14 candidates. the TV where obliged to give the same time of speak to every one, from very tiny to main parties. There was all king of candidate, among them the communist party, the trotskyst, the maoist... We have a lot of newpapers expressing freely all style of political positions.

It not the case in China. If a journalist write something that put off to authorities (often local authorities he loose his job. If a student give an independent political point of view, he is immediatly expell. When an environment activict said that a non-pollution certificate given to a town is wrong, the leaders of this have no problem, the man in jailed. When one of your doctors denounced blood contamination, she lost her job and have been in house of arrest. Later, with the expention od AID, the governement recognize she was right, but she was deny to go abroad to receive a reward. The main case of your media 100 % under control. When Deng Xiaoping went to Shengzhen in february 1992 and deliver his famous sentence "It is not a shame to be rich" on the evenining on CCTV meiyou, in Renminribao, meiyou, in jiefang Ribao, meiyou. All the word new that immediatly except the Chinese lerned what he has said. When the Jiefang Ribao published it later, the editor has been sacked. It only after three weeks (and a strong action of Deng) that the media were authorized to publish the news.

2) I know well your history and the different old philosophies that always up to now make that your are even in the currents days. I teach that every to people going to work to China : Culture and mentality, how to communicate, to work, to negociate... with Chinese. I know how strong they are always important even now. I used to said, "China is not a nation, it's a civilisation. And I can said, Chinese people have some values that infortunatly have been lost in our countries. I think that your old values are not incompablibe with modern word.

3)I never said that the Chinese government is not doing a good job for his people, and I am very impressed by him. I very appreciated Zhu Rongji who I met two times and I strongly think that Wei Jiabao is the right man at the good place. But I also think all that good things could not be endangered by a little most freedom for Chinese people and even I know the necessity of stability. I agree that China is not a military threat. Taiwan is another question. In establishing diplomatic relations with PRC, we all recognize that Taiwan is part of China. But we don't want the reunication made by force. You have to give Taiwan population good reason to reunificate.

You can be nationalistic. I am proud of my country and you have to be proud of yours. When China sent a man in space, all Chinese in PRC, in Hong Kong, in Taiwan, in the US and Canada where prouds as all the seeds od the dragon in the world... and I was too as a closed friend od China

Dear Jac
Nice to hear frm a kind and objective person like u; )though there still exist some language gap between communication,but simply ok.i never being hard work with my eng,as long as i got passion with one thing,i m learning german,which gave me lots energetic and let me found english's original editon; )
I know many foreigners dont know the real China,and we even we no longer be friends since they insist things i cant stand...Also some of them very like me that i m not move following mass,one of them told me,when he said taiwan is a country,i almost kill him,yes,i m serious and sensible with this issue. Finally he said it's ur country's business,we cant give a judgement,besides we dont know the the truth...and i think it's ok for a foreigner's attitude.As for taiwan,frm ancient time it's already one part of china,just some people for their own political power want being the highest leader of a country.Normally one want being the leader is not wrong,but for the whole country or most people's feeling,it really hurt.Sadly we must give good reasons for unify,frm my feeling,i sometimes really being hurt,image the mother give birth to babies,but there are people even some of the babies themselves dont acknowledge her!!!and let her give out good reason,what a thing!
I know the enviroment gives strong effects to the people,so many people very stubborn and even become numb and stupid... it cant been avoid,i believe there must be some ways need to use that seemed as force activities.
Because there exists this kind of peopleome chinese people going abroad could people frm hong kong or taiwan,and they found they dont want tell people they are frm China,instead they tell others they are frm hong kong,taiwan... they are cold people,and i look down of them,now china become have much power in many area,and i m sure many of them must like tell people they are frm China. See,for this kind of people,need we give a good reason to tell them their counry is China?just when motherland give them honour they like tell they are chinese...
It's also can be part of reason that our media being controlled,but one thing it's no dounbt right,always keep the fresh of the leading group. So that it avoids that a man who is leading a country with update ideas. Not a country could suffer a big wrong decision of leaders,that's horrible...
In my life i really have little interesting with some politics issue,i think it's just several people's game...but when people talk about these especially foreigners i have to be serious and take care the situations,lucky my grand generation are all frm army and navy,and my father much very into politics...i always heard things frm him,but i never believe others so easily! World is much bigger than i know,now i understand one thing,people cant be so narrow,just think of things arround himself,there are many problems and people need many others care,and dont just think about self.Also as a person should try to hold critical thinking of our country,be awareness and responsible. That's my point.