Dear ALL,

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regards,
MHK,

Dr. Nay Win Maung's message

It is becoming more and more obvious that General Than Shwe is managing his own way out-even seems in rush. On the other hand, most of the Burmese were whispering to retaliate him through the referendum.

The current situation is precisely a critical dilemma for the Burmese whether if to say yes or no to the constitution. The fact of the matter is to consider whether if we are letting him enjoy the way out or not. It is also a very crucial decision for Daw Aung San Suu Kyi where if to let him get the way out. By saying no by Daw Aung Sann Su Kyi to the referendum, it is in a way showing lacking willingness to let Senior General get the way-out which is somehow like putting him into the corner. Again, this may lead to another political deadlock.

Regardless of whatever we are voting at the referendum, it is more than sure that the constitution will be rectified. If it is so, saying no by Daw Aung San Suu Kyi will give rise to indifferent non productive situation – again back to the square one. General Than Shwe is seeking the way out but we must understand that he will not take any type of way out offered by Daw Aung San Suu Kyi or NLD. The way out what he is seeking is the institutionalized way out as a Right as he thinks it is a face issue.

Burmese people this time should be smart enough and set aside the emotions so as not to craft again another deadlock. Especially people like Daw Aung San Suu Kyi should not facilitate the emotions of the crowd.

The drafted construction should be considered as a Pareto-optimality that we can anticipate from the regime. From the very technical angle, that constitution per-se is within the acceptable limits if one look at the intrinsic values. This unilateral version can even give rise to a genuine democracy if the election results were not manipulated as we have still 75 % of the seats at the both chambers. But again, it is very sure that the gov will manipulate the election result for their favor at the forth coming election.

The given situation of Myanmar politics in fact needed a smart strategy and clear vision. The best way could be encapsulated as below.

1. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi should provide a good will gesture by means of letting General Than Shwe get the way out by saying yes to the constitution.

2. Again, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi should endorse the constitution so as to make sure the fate of NLD.

3. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and NLD must focus the election especially to make sure NLD being not to be disenfranchised- instead of the referendum.

4. In order to make sure the genuine election results and strong opposition, NLD must pronounce that they are going to contest only half of the seats of the both chambers (better to take part at the non ethnic constituencies) – in a way sending a signal to the regime that the objective is just to be merely the opposition.

5. NLD should learn to differentiate the genuine opposition politics and the confrontasia politic so as to build up the shadow government even at the first term.

6. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi can strengthen her organization while serving as an opposition within those five years.<br><br>Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/03/13 23:31

This article has some merits to ponder upon for the future of our beloved country. The deadlock must be broken. At this stage the country is ruled by decree. It is about time we put our heads together and come up with a working solution. No use bickering amongst ourselves. A few in the forum have attacked others. It shows how immature,ignorant, arrogant and respect others views. This is the bedrock of democracy to have different views. Don't need to go into your gun cabinet, armed your self as the mighty Rambo and start shoot all because you are disatisfied. This is the American culture. Don't be wet behind the ears. Grow up.
Polaris
(Will be shining brightly, always at the same position, no matter what)

Dr. Nay Win Maung
c/o MHK,

You have every right to express your view, your opinion, you have your rights , the democratic rights that every human being is talking about thet every human being is longing for.

I have no right to ask you “ who the hell you are or what the hell you are or this or that which are against or opposite to human rights.
Because I respect you as fellow human being. If somebody doesn’t know or accept you or anybody as human being let’s say that is his right as well and say good luck to him. As long as you and I respect each other as human and the human rights, that is more than good enough for me.

If there is peace in the world. If everybody agrees with everybody. If nobody has any conflicting view or opinion against other. I can guarantee you, assure you that this world which is called Planet Earth will stop turning and crash, disappear into the obit.

I just want to start from the following ;

“ The given situation of Myanmar politics in fact needed a smart strategy and clear vision. The best way could be encapsulated as below.”

It took me this long to publish this reply . Because I have done a very long reply, but in the end I decided, to reply to these six points only. They are nice but not feasable should I say.

“ 1. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi should provide a good will gesture by means of letting General Than Shwe get the way out by saying yes to the constitution”

If Ma Su Kyi could think half as much as you can think. as longas at least 10 years ago, it would be great. “ Pyinyar Shi Thadi Phyit Khe or Atutt Kyuu Baloo Phyit ”. These two Myanmar sayings are meant for Ma SU Kyi, I think.

“ letting General Than Shwe get the way out by saying yes to the constitution.” How thoughtful of you to say such a thing. Whether Ma Su Kyi says Yes or No to the constitution the show will go on. What is Ma Su Kyi anyway? Do you think Gen Than Shwe is at the mercy of Ma Su Kyi or what? Has she got the power for somebody to live or die? Gen Than Shwe does not use that power even if he had that. . If he had used it Ma Su Kyi had died long ago, her bones are the powder by now. She is well protect by Gen Than Shwe. She should thank him instead. Lucky Ma Su Kyi had not been charged for treason if she is a Myanmar, she should be deported if she is a foreigner (British) to England. Wales and Scotland may not want her.

If you expect demonstrations during these days, make sure Ma Su Kyi lead them from the front. Tell her not to hide in her own house. Because she loves confrontations. She loves seeing blood. She loves seeing fire.

Talking about Gen Than Shwe, he is an old man, his days are numbered. He had nothing more to lose and nothing more to gain, do you understand what I mean ? The future is in the hands of the young generals, if Ma Su Kyi wants to confront them that is her choice. Don’t let any one confront SPDC on her behalf.

“ 2. Again, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi should endorse the constitution so as to make sure the fate of NLD.”

Ma Su Kyi is not even an elected member of anything. Has she got the right to cast the vote or not may still be the question. As ordinary person, she has a right to vote, she has a right not to vote. She can say Yes, she can say No. There is a limit what she can or cannot do.

My suggestion is she should quit as leader of NLD, give young people a chance. Because young general are coming up from the other side. She should quit the politic. NLD is suffering because of her. People are suffering because of her. Myanmar is suffering because of her., business community is suffering because of her. She should go back to England and try to be the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

“ 3. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and NLD must focus the election especially to make sure NLD being not to be disenfranchised- instead of the referendum.”

NLD should dismiss her, expel her from the party, because she has her own interest, she is not acting in the interest of the party, not in the interest of the people , not in the interest of the nation. NLD leaders should know by now. What NLD can do or what it cannot do.

“ 4. In order to make sure the genuine election results and strong opposition, NLD must pronounce that they are going to contest only half of the seats of the both chambers (better to take part at the non ethnic constituencies) – in a way sending a signal to the regime that the objective is just to be merely the opposition.”

“ Genuine election results” what do you mean? Do you mean to say elections are not election if opposition do not win? Do you mean to say no matter how free and fair the elections are, as long as opposition does not win you cannot accept the genuine result? You already had your preconceived election results in advanced .

What are you suggesting, are you mad or what ? Even NLD becomes a legal party in future elections they have only 330 seats remember? Half of that is only 165 out of 330 seats. That is, if NLD wins allcontested seats.

Your suggestion for NLD to take part only at none ethnic constituencies, which means “ Burma Proper” in olden days unacceptable for many reasons People of all national races are living all over Myanmar in all divisions ,in all states and in all regions and in all zones.

Are you trying to treat all these people as immigrants and to move all these people back to where they came from originally, as though all of them are internally displaced people?

“ 5. NLD should learn to differentiate the genuine opposition politics and the confrontasia politic so as to build up the shadow government even at the first term“ .

If and when NLD take part in the elections , at least they can become partner to the coalition government of the future, let alone shadow cabinet or in your own words “shadow government.” They have all the opportunity. If they abandon their rights by not taken part, like they did in NC, that is nobody’s fault, but them.

Eh, ha, that’s more like it. opposing everything for the sake of opposing , in the name of opposing. NLD doesn’t know what to oppose or what not to oppose. They take pride in opposing anything everything whatever SPDC has done,like a
mad man.

NLD leadership is not democratic, Ma Su Kyi is their dictator. She likes noibody to dictate her4 but she will dictate others. NLD leadership becoming dictatorship. They cannot function without Ma Su Kyi, that is the fact. There are no men in the NLD who are men enough to run NLD. I very much like to know who is dictating Ma Su Kyi? He conscience and common sense?

“ 6. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi can strengthen her organization while serving as an opposition within those five years”

NLD is weak , very weak. It cannot live up to the peoples’ expectation. It is proven. NLD is surrounded by &quot; Thinjan Amhyauts &quot;. UIt is surround4ed by the town cryers. People inside Myanmar realised how they have been thoroughly used by the NLD. People realised that if NLD gets its way the nation will go back to 1950s Everybody has to run for their lives again.

NLD is a goner, so are their leaders, NLD is a thing of the past. Even it change to another name, to start again as a political party. I doubt there is anyone who wants to be the NLD candidate.

Somebody should read again Brig Gen Kyaw San meetings with Mr Gambari thoroughly, word by word, sentence by sentence. Because its worth it. I mean to say, the more you read it the more you understand, the more meaning come out.

Thunderbolts.

DaGarGyi Thunderbwats,

Yes you had no right to say who the hell to a doctor but I can. Your choice of NOT to say is up to you or your choice of bending over is your decision, not mine. Not only I won't bend, I will kick arse if I want to and that is my choice and my decision. By the way I am a person that a professor or a doctor or an engineer or a scientist or a scholar or a homeless or an illiterate does not mean a thing and makes no difference to me. I give my respect to whoever I see fit regardless of status of that person. It depends upon that person's conduct and motives.

Here a little quiz for you thunderbwats...........Foot doctor and doctor my foot are not the same. It may looks like the same but it is not. Can you understand the difference between &quot;Foot Doctor&quot; and &quot;Doctor My Foot&quot; ??? Da Gar Gyi Ga Phone Phone Go Pyaw Pya Bar lar?

Those doctors who support criminals/crooks fall into the catagory of &quot;Doctor My Foot&quot;. Copy that?<br><br>Post edited by: ZynnYaw, at: 2008/03/15 21:42

Dear Thunderbolts,
Your posting hit the nail right on the head. When she was giving speeches over the gate at the University Ave, I went there to listen and judge for myself. She spoke mainly replying to letters she received. No substance at all. Oh, then she said, gathering here freely is 'Democracy. She was sending a wrong signal. Though Democracy allows free speech etc, you still need to follow the process within the law. Gathering here and there to yell &quot;Meedoke Meedoke Sho Sho&quot; days are gone. Discipline &amp; Responsibility goes with Freedom. We must respect each other even when having opposing views.
Please ignore those who throw tantrums, become abusive, calling names and oppose for the sake of opposing. Please feel sorry for him as he always open his Mega Mouth to Put his Gigantic foot in. Let others see for what they are.
This also bring back the days after 1988, a lot of people came out of the woodwork and became instant politicians. Posting a lot of abusive words in the BurmaNet. Now, they have disappeared totally.
I am Polaris - still in the same place and bright as ever.
Regards.

A Pho O Polluted,

Don't count on it. Don't be stupid to count the chickens before they are hatched. Let's see who will be still writing as months and years passed by. You and thunderbwats are boxed and nearing to bite the dust. I will be still reminding both of you now and then. Don't be chicken shit and give excuse of this that and act like a sissy avoiding me. Act like a man and confront me face to face if you dare. Your bosses days are numbered and the coffin is ready to be nailed. Don't run away and hide when the freedom fighters are nailing the coffin for final funeral. I know your ass is stuck to one place and you are grounded in one place &gt;&gt;&gt; 6 feet under. Right? It is nothing new for &quot;stuck up&quot; people advocating for &quot;stuck up&quot; regime. Burma will never move forward with stuck up people like you. How many 747s Burma owns? None right? See how stuck up Burma is with stuck up people like you.


Polaris wrote:

QUOTE:
Dear Thunderbolts,
Your posting hit the nail right on the head. When she was giving speeches over the gate at the University Ave, I went there to listen and judge for myself. She spoke mainly replying to letters she received. No substance at all. Oh, then she said, gathering here freely is 'Democracy. She was sending a wrong signal. Though Democracy allows free speech etc, you still need to follow the process within the law. Gathering here and there to yell &quot;Meedoke Meedoke Sho Sho&quot; days are gone. Discipline &amp; Responsibility goes with Freedom. We must respect each other even when having opposing views.
Please ignore those who throw tantrums, become abusive, calling names and oppose for the sake of opposing. Please feel sorry for him as he always open his Mega Mouth to Put his Gigantic foot in. Let others see for what they are.
This also bring back the days after 1988, a lot of people came out of the woodwork and became instant politicians. Posting a lot of abusive words in the BurmaNet. Now, they have disappeared totally.
I am Polaris - still in the same place and bright as ever.
Regards.

<br><br>Post edited by: ZynnYaw, at: 2008/03/16 06:36

Dear Polaris,

3D or three dimansion. cinemascope, and vistavision, eight tracks stereophonic sounds were created for us to see things wider and clearer and sharper.

In this time of age digital and vertual reality at your own home. If some one cannot see the real picture, hears nothing he/she must be blind and eaf. What can you do for the poor soul? DO you think prayers will help? What about the Phonegyi at the monestery, do you think the special magic wand of that Phon Gyi will help him?

I am afraid the worse thing is if he/she is suffereing from a learning difficulties, he/she cannot be help at all.

&quot; Phonegyi Luu Htwet &quot; some Myanmar take refuge in the monastery as monkls, to escape from reality. They did not say they were starving, they said it was the Buddhism which guide them to realisation.

Afwe years after that, they saved a some Wutthtu ( money ) They come out from the order and married the nearest Dagar Ma Lay. And again when they face difficulties in life, they go into the Buddhist order gain.

I have no doubt, there are still few Phone Gyis, who deserves to ba called Holy One, who are trying to preserv the Buddhism which the Thingan Wutts, ( wearer of yellow cloth) trying to destroy Buddhism. We have to destroy them before they destroy the Buddhism.

Now at the time when everybody is focusing on the future of Myanmar, New constitution and new ways to serve the nationa and the people, an oil lamp is trying to shine in the middle of the earth which is in flames.

What can we do, it is one of the ingredients in life , don't you think? There are people like him in some where. If the democracy takes it course, he will be run over by the majority.

The rest of us should focus and concenterate on the future of Myanmar and the wellbeing of the people. Theories and practical works should go together. That is where SPDC comes in. Theories and Practical hand in hand. they may not be the best, but they are surely better than some people in Myanmar.

Dear Polaris, sometimes you cannot help anybody because they cannot be helped. Especially those who thinks they know too much of everything.

&quot; the deadlock must be broken &quot;. you can wish for it, but you cannot expect that. I don't see any possibility in this case at the moment. Sorry.

Regards,


Thunderbolts

Dear all,

Thanks for your comments and reply.
I really think like Dr NWM, we should be smart enough and set aside the emotions so as not to craft again another deadlock.
I do not care whoever or which group taking the state power, I only wish to break the deadlock and start working for the rebuilding of the country. Anyone who is trying do something
to move the country on will be welcome. I do not care the brand mark, the most important thing for me is to make a progress.

If we can not make a progress while walking with Daw Aung San Suu Kyi then we walk on our own feet without her.

Thanks to Thunderbolts, you really have clarified many points.

BR

Dear MHK,

You sound like saying “ good bye ”.

Let me make myself very clear, if you don‘t mind. Under normal circumstance. I could agree with Dr. MWM. If needs be I am prepared to discuss with him or have a little bit of friendly debate.

We Myanmars used to be smart enough people MHK we were not “ inferior natives ” When British invaded Myanmar in 1824 they found out that Myanmar were not Zulu.
When King Thibaw proclaimed all Myanmars to rise up against British , it was not only too late but also because of the traitors inside.

Don’t say you do not care whichever group to take power. When you say that, you know you are lying to yourself. As long as you care for the nation, as long as you care for the people you have to care about the group. There are so many groups in Myanmar, please don’t forget that. Of course you care, I know you care. Otherwise why should you be here in this forum? Wasting time and money? It is worth it MHK, every second, every minute and every cent.

Remember “ You points are my points “ ? After that UKMyaing never came back to me. “ Your wishes are my command ”. what you want is what I want. We all want the same things for Myanmar , not for you, not for me, but for the people. What we want is to see Myanmar developed, to see Myanmar progressed. Myanmars to be first classed people. Myanmars deserve that.

The only thing Myanmar leaders do not agree is the methods of doing and who will do it. I am sorry to say Ma Su Kyi and NLD think and believe, that only their ways are right and they are the right people to do it. That is the dead lock.

Buddha went on “ Dukha Sariya ” for six years. Myanmar for the last sixty years were in Dukha Sariya , how many more years Ma Su Kyi wants Myanmars to suffer?

The deadlock should have broken on the first day National Convention was started. NLD had all the rights and chances , and opportunities to shape up Myanmar, TOGETHER with others. While calling Gen Than Shwe a dictator , while calling SPDC a dictatorship. Ma Su Kyi, not only becoming dictator herself but she also made NLD a dictatorship. While shouting democracy and human rights from her mouth . she has created another dictatorship which she is the head. Her followers do not allow others to express their views. They harresed, they intimedate, they threaten those who do not agree with them.

Nobody can deny that SPDC is building the nation, nobody can deny that Myanmar is developing and nobody can deny Myanmar is in progress, etc. etc. Today Myanmar is different from yesterday.

True, Myanmar has been walking on its own feet. That should and must be the spirit. I used to say that, with or without Ma Su Kyi, the show must go on. If she decides to join, it would be nice, it would even be nicer. Myanmar won’t be the same without her. May be she thinks its too late for her.
There is always a place for NLD, but I am not sure for Ma Su Kyi.

We are still making developments and progress without her taken partin the process. But to be fair, a question has to be asked. That is if Ma Su Kyi was not there in Myanmar, would Myanmar make these progress and these developments etc. etc. I think that much of a credit she deserves ? If we want to call it “ A Blessing in Disguise” may be too much. For her even now her feet do not touch the ground. She is no angle.

We know that, International community knows that “ no one is indispensable ”. We must accept it as well, because it is the truth. Creators are Destroyers. A person like Ma Su Kyi know that, she is the destroyer because she create anything.

The most important thing is all Myanmars have to know what is their priority are. What is the interest of the nation, what is their interest in the nation. Democracy and human rights are there , they have to grab it. Don’t worry about Sr. Gen Than Shwe and SPDC. Don’t worry about Ma Su Kyi and NLD. Myanmars are not senseless people, they are not stupid, idiots. At least they know what is good for them
As we are Myanmars, and most of us are Buddhist and if it must , Myanmars have to know what is the cause for their unnecessary suffering, why their suffering are prolonging, human error or the law of nature.

Budhha has taught us about suffering and what to do about it in four noble truths. HE showed us the ways through eight fold path and how to live a happy and a successful life in 38 Mingalas. Only thing for us to do is to study these thoroughly , to know the real meanings and put them into practice. We don’t need to suffer more than it is necessary.

When Ma Su Kyi said Myanmars must have a little more patient. When Ma Su Kyi said, Myanmars are not suffering, she can say that because she doesn't know what suffering is, because she has everything, she never had the experience of suffering, not even now.

As I said she is not only reluctant but she refused to announce, to lift the sanctions or the confrontation approaches. She is sure she has nothing to lose Of course not, but people of Myanmars have plenty to lose, the future of their children, the future of the nation. future of Myanmar as a nation. That is why they must reject her and NLD and their efforts to destruct Myanmar and its people.

MHK, unfinished Painting or “ Ma Pii They Thaw Bajiikar ”. Myanmar as a painting , it is a beautiful picture but it is still being painted to be more beautiful. Because there are a lot of final touches to be done, the more we look at it, the more we need to do to but not to over do it, we could spoil it. There is also a warning by our elders, “ Pyin Lunn Yin- Phin Chun”. We have to be careful. not to do it too much, but just right.

I believe . Ma Su Kyi is over doing every thing.

Whoever will be the last painter , he /she cannot finish it or make it to be perfect. Because there is no such thing as perfect. The more it is not perfect the more it might worth, it is a vintage, may be.

May be that is why everybody like to have this beautiful painting of Myanmar unfinished.

Though it is an unfinished painting, the one who carries on should not damage or destroyed what the first one has already done, instead he/she should enhance it, brighten it, take care of it, treasure it, defend it and protect it with his/her life.

It is said that there are countless numbers of precious and priceless paintings and other valuable things in the vaults of FORT KNOX in the United Stated of America. Some people even said all the royal treasures of Thibaw Min and Su Paya Latt which were taken away in a list by British Col Sladon in 1885 were there as well together with the royal treasures of the British Monarchs.

Myanmar is in need of broad minded people, open minded people, plenty of them. International community must be broad minded and open minded too.

Confused minds must be cleared. In Buddhism , meditation is the most effective way, It will make our visions clear , it will help us to make a right decision. That is the most important part in life.

A is equal to B. B is equal to C, that is why A is equal to C. According to that algebra , if two have the same value, what is the fuss about? That is the compromised theory. A cannot be B, and B cannot be C, they have their own idenity, with their own value.

Don’t worry MHK, the truth is always there for those who seeks the truth. You may notice that there are silent majority viewing every posting in this forum. That is a good sign.

This is not a good bye MHK, its along way to go yet.

Rgards,

Thunderbolts.<br><br>Post edited by: thunderbolts, at: 2008/03/19 10:11