Dear MokeHimKha,

The unfinished painting or Ma Pii Thay Thaw Baji Karr",

The show must go on. We have to look ahead to the future from now. It is important that Myanmars are changed otherwise there will be no change in Myanmar. Even there is revolutions. There will be counter revolutions They won’t help.

Silent is golden but your eyes can see. When you observed you can see. That is what it is all about observation. When your observant , you will receive knowledge. You will be wiser. Whatever you do next will be base on these knowledge.

If you are ready that is good and let your conscience or common sense guide you.
I asked the question because NLD seems to be not ready yet, I hope they are not lost.

Union of Burma was established as a democratic republic in 1948 . The democracy was not treasured and value by the Myanmars and they lost it . Because there were those who did not believe in democracy.

On the other hand Myanmars did not know how to take care of that democracy. In the end they lost it. But Tatmadaw headed by Gen Ne Win transformed to one party socialist democracy. People did not like it either .

Let us forget about political system , let us forget about economic system. Myanmars by nature are socialists. They were alright on their own when they did not know about any political system or economic system. Only when these system came people are divided . They are divided by the clever people who are called politicians who are living on others like pests. They became another class of people, which people are responsible
For creating them . Why? Because people do not want to take responsible for them selves , they want some one to take their responsibilities.

In the case of Myanmar, They don’t care for their present life, but they are preparing for their next life which they do not know what its going to be. They are doing Phayar Thwar , Kyaung Thwer , Oobote Saunt , Ah Hlu Pay, Yey Zat Cha , Ahmhya Wai etc.,

I am a Buddhist , I practice Buddhism to fit into my real life. Because I strongly believe Buddhism is a way of life so I use Buddhism to better my life. I never expect to fly into the space by meditation . If I want to fly, I take the plane. If I want to cross the ocean I use the ship. I use the car to visit my relatives.

Even today, all Buddhist Monks senior or junior are using planes and ships and cars to go from one place to another. Let alone me.

MHK, what I am saying is these planes, ships and cars etc. etc. they don’t drop from the sky or come out of the ground.

Myanmars are so busy doing the things Phayar Thwar- Kyaung Thwr etc., yet they have to import planes and ships and cars into their country to travel Because through their meditation they do not achieve terrestrial travel.

So in my view , Myanmars are lying to themselves, they are fakes they are bogus. And they are my own people.

Whoever is the Government, I am afraid the Myanmars will be the same fakes and bogus in the political and economic system of Myanmar no matter what systems they are.

What is the five precepts, never mind ten or fifteen precepts. Are they sure they are observing these five precepts every day without breaking one? I doubt it.

Some people accused Myanmar of being a corrupted nation. This corruption is all over. Everyone in Myanmar is corrupt in one way or the other. Corruptions come in many ways and many forms, including 800, 000 Buddhist Monks in Myanmar are corrupt, living on other people’s hard earnings, should I say.

All corruptions have to be rooted out in every fields . No matter in which names and in which forms.

These are the gist of Myanmar MHK, the reality of Myanmar they are not myths. How will we reform Myanmar is relevant question.

Let me discuss your concerns.

In the Hluttaws ( Parliament , house of representatives, house of nationalities for English people ) 75 % will be directly elected by the people and only 25% will be selected by the military C of C. by the order of the Union President. Which means people representatives 75 and military representatives 25 %. People are in favour. It doesn’t matter the exact numbers MHK, as I have said many times before , and you are right, all constitution can be amended, whenever situation and circumstances permit.

To make it more clearly, SPDC is a interim government. If it is not SPDC, there must be a interim government to hold elections. Who will head that interim government who will be in that government? Interesting question don’t you think?

Remember Dr Maung Maung was the head of interim government which was supposed to hold the elections and was rejected by the demonstrators. And you know what happened next.

Will SPDC take responsibility for holding the elections. Will there be another interim government apart from election commission? In all elections before 1948. British Governors and British Burma Governments were holding the elections. When Ko Aung San was assassinated , U Nu was called by Sir Hubert Rance to be the Prime Minister and asked to form a government.

I only wish the people of Myanmar know what they are doing, to use their own common sense for their own sake in the interest of the nation where they are living. .

As you have said it rightly “ work together ” . It is Nation Building , you have to build the people as one people. Since National Convention was designed to draft the New Constitution , National Reconciliation, self governing states, autonomous regions and everything need to be there are there as I understand it. .

Here is the new constitution for National Reconciliation . Here is the constitution to build the Nation. Here is the constitution which guarantees the democracy and human rights for all people in Union of Myanmar as one people. .

MHK, your hope is my hope. But I also hope the change that Myanmars would like to have is to not confine to get rid of SPDC. That, I think will come in time, I don’t know when. But at the moment or this is the time, this is the opportunity for the people to use their common sense, I will be very honest with you MHK, people must change. first they must come out from staying in the dark to see everything clearly. Their confused mind must be cleared. After all if they make mistakes, they have to pay the price.

Ko Aung San had said the same in 1947. He said “ Pye Ney Aung Lote Mha“, I am afraid to tell you working hard is not the only thing, they must be something to work . At the moment people have no work to do, means no job to work hard.

Yes it is time for them to understand, I hope they understand . During these years they must have learnt a few things. We tried to do it on our own, it did not work , because somebody did not like us be on our own. We cannot be isolated again. Myanmar needs to do a lot of things, We don’t have everything. We still need a few more good friends at least. As I have said before, if somebody can work with Communists why can’t they work with Myanmars on the level terms.

Being Communist or socialist is not a problem today, is it? To be a strong naytion A nation the people must be strong so that nobody can manipulate them nobody can undermined them. They must not listen to, in your own words “ wrong callings and actions.” There is no room for mistakes . There is no rooms for weak people. Only strong would survive. That , the people must know.

We Myanmars have to be united as one to be strong. We have done it before. That unity and strength is not to threaten anybody not to harm anybody but to defend ourselves, to have self respect.

MHK, nice talking to you,

Thunderbolts.

thunderboos and MoKeJoke,

Dogmatic doctrines, criminally insane leaders, monkey businesses, robotic judges, kangaroo courts, proud prostitutes, internally and externally displaced refugees, disease infested citizens, recruiting child soldiers, heavily corrupt military, rapist soldiers, mentally retarded writers, rubber stamp newpapers, propaganda publishers etc etc etc and what have you got? You got S.P.D.C.

Both of you can write all BS as much as you can but the truth remains the same. Nothing changes and as a matter of fact, Burma is back to square one..................the status quo.

Dear Thunderbolts,

Look at today news, all opposition groups called to boycott the referendum including NLD. Therefore even for getting starting point we have a long road to go. However still I think and believe that there are so many people who understand and read the situation as well as us.

You said Myanmars need to change. Not only Myanamrs who need to change but all the people of third world countries need to change including Africans, Asians and Arabes in order to have a more equitable world, more peaceful world.

In our country, for our people can change we need to give the confidence to our people, for me the referendum must be the first step for us even a very small step. But to reach to this first step we will have to overcome many obstacles.

In our country we are so divided, militray and civil, Myanmars and shan, karen, chin and so on. Everybody talk about the importance of the unity but what they are doing is not for unity, but for division- for me they do not understand really what does mean "unity".

Europeans had so much learned how to work while having different opinons, views and goals. They have learned to cohabite while keeping their differences. We Asians people haven't yet done it. We don't knwo how set up the priorities, Plans, future vision. In summary, the myanamrs are not rational, we follow too much our emotions, we work with our emotions as a result we never have reached to get our final goals.

US wants to cut chinese pipelines and etablish the elctronics monitoring to take control of the maritimes of China and finally get the free market to multinationals it wish from our country. All these things are to maintain US and west super power status as long as possible. With Asia's growing powers China and India they need to protect themselves.

What should we do Myanamr, a small counry between two big powers. We need to play very intelligently between two anyway.

For me the priority is keep ASia's growing power in all domains and reject any influence from outside that can destroy Asia's growing power status in the world. At the same time we need to create peace and unity at home, an environment where we can all together work for Nation Building. This is my vision. If we want to be developped we need to think like white people - untiy among ourselves, protect our own interests and work hard. There are times for complaining but there are also times for working. we will not tell the gossips of our familly others to intervene in our affairs.

If we wish we can resolve all problems, if we wish we can work together, if we want we will progress together.

We will correct each othet when mistakes are done.
Howver we will respect the laws and we should be aware of our limits.

I have so many ideas, but when i look at our people, is see that they are not ready yet for the news kind of thinking and new way of working together.

"Two legs good four legs bad" must be the best expresion for them.

There is english sayings:

Beggers can't be choosers.

I am writing and writing and telling and telling all people around me.

Buddha said not to believe in something because you have heard it severl times, analyse yourself, study your self then accept which you think right and reject which you think are wrong.

For the moment I do not have enough time to read about buddhism. However i have basic notions of the religions.

We really have so many thing to do in our country. We do'nt even need to be worried about unemployement like in Europe.

Everybody will have a role to play in whatever he or she wishes.

Thanks and regards,

BR

Dear Thunderbolts,

Look at today news, all opposition groups called to boycott the referendum including NLD. Therefore even for getting starting point we have a long road to go. However still I think and believe that there are so many people who understand and read the situation as well as us.

You said Myanmars need to change. Not only Myanamrs who need to change but all the people of third world countries need to change including Africans, Asians and Arabes in order to have a more equitable world, more peaceful world.

In our country, for our people can change we need to give the confidence to our people, for me the referendum must be the first step for us even a very small step. But to reach to this first step we will have to overcome many obstacles.

In our country we are so divided, militray and civil, Myanmars and shan, karen, chin and so on. Everybody talk about the importance of the unity but what they are doing is not for unity, but for division- for me they do not understand really what does mean "unity".

Europeans had so much learned how to work while having different opinons, views and goals. They have learned to cohabite while keeping their differences. We Asians people haven't yet done it. We don't knwo how set up the priorities, Plans, future vision. In summary, the myanamrs are not rational, we follow too much our emotions, we work with our emotions as a result we never have reached to get our final goals.

US wants to cut chinese pipelines and etablish the elctronics monitoring to take control of the maritimes of China and finally get the free market to multinationals it wish from our country. All these things are to maintain US and west super power status as long as possible. With Asia's growing powers China and India they need to protect themselves.

What should we do Myanamr, a small counry between two big powers. We need to play very intelligently between two anyway.

For me the priority is keep ASia's growing power in all domains and reject any influence from outside that can destroy Asia's growing power status in the world. At the same time we need to create peace and unity at home, an environment where we can all together work for Nation Building. This is my vision. If we want to be developped we need to think like white people - untiy among ourselves, protect our own interests and work hard. There are times for complaining but there are also times for working. we will not tell the gossips of our familly others to intervene in our affairs.

If we wish we can resolve all problems, if we wish we can work together, if we want we will progress together.

We will correct each othet when mistakes are done.
Howver we will respect the laws and we should be aware of our limits.

I have so many ideas, but when i look at our people, is see that they are not ready yet for the news kind of thinking and new way of working together.

"Two legs good four legs bad" must be the best expresion for them.

There is english sayings:

Beggers can't be choosers.

I am writing and writing and telling and telling all people around me.

Buddha said not to believe in something because you have heard it severl times, analyse yourself, study your self then accept which you think right and reject which you think are wrong.

For the moment I do not have enough time to read about buddhism. However i have basic notions of the religions.

We really have so many thing to do in our country. We do'nt even need to be worried about unemployement like in Europe.

Everybody will have a role to play in whatever he or she wishes.

Thanks and regards,

BR

MHK,

In the history of Myanmar election boycott are not new. Before the independence U Saw and Dr Ba Maw boycotted the elections . Kayins boycotted the elections as well.
After the independence Myanmar was governed by the Union of Burma government. Communists and the Kayins(KNDO)were not in the elections . Myanmar came from there.

In Pakistan before the elections opposition said they will boycott it. Yet they took part and won and they are going to form a coalition Government. What NLD and other opposition will do is nothing new. What they will do when the time actually come we have to wait and see.

You may remember that there were over one thousand delegated and representatives at the National convention. Including ethnic groups as well as ceasefire groups. NLD was not there by their own choice. Now when everything is ready they said they are not ready now they said they are not taking part. I don’t think that is wise decision, in my opinion.

You may have noticed that in Kenya elections, it cost thousands of lives. In Union of Myanmar , the lost of life before , during and after the elections were common. I hope these don’t happen in Myanmar of today.

As you have said there are so many people who read and understand the new constitution. That is important. Besides. There is a hint from UN which seems endorsing referendum and 2010 elections. I am glad to hear that. That should be it.

In Myanmar it is “ Naing Ngan Yey ”(a) Naing Ngant Ayey ” which is the affairs of the nation. Which again is the affairs of the people. If the people do not have in their nation’s affairs and their own affairs, whose affairs are Myanmar’s affairs. The people must take the interest in their affairs. That is the proper thing. Then only they will know what is what who is who. Otherwise if they say and do “ Pii pii yaw ” then nobody else’s fault but theirs.

The opposition have the right to chose, to be or not to be in the elections. Opposition cannot and should not interfere in other people’s rights. They must respect that. If the opposition convinced that the people are behind them , then they should take part in referendum or in the elections. The same as Pakistan PPP did. Opposition should not deny themselves their own right. Which is to take part and to have a say. From the very beginning ,

Ma Su Kyi is barred from elections again , I heard.. So what? Are there nobody in Myanmar ? Are other NLD leaders are useless, hopeless? Don’t they have no ideas, no visions for Myanmar? If that is the case. Who can people hope from those NLD leaders, who can people trust from NLD?

NLD was and is 1000% sure that the people are 1000% behind them. Then what are they afraid of? You know and I know and everybody know people with a little of common sense know, that any constitution is subject to amendments, when situation and circumstances permit. Why can’t NLD and others do not understand that, I am not sure. I said I am not sure because I never thought Ma Su Kyi is so thick. But, as democracy dictates, Ma Su Kyi must not go against her followers who are so bloody thick within her own party. Ma Su Kyi doesn’t command them, they command Ma Su Kyi.

On the other hand Ma Su Kyi with her big mouth said a lot of things in the past, gave a lot of impressions, she cannot swallow them back, she couldn’t deliver either. So the only way for her is to bang her head against the wall. Ma Su Kyi cannot make a U tern. It is in the hands of her followers. If she is clever and she must enlightened her people first, reason with them so and so is the case. She does not want to do it. Because she is afraid they will spit on her face.

Democracy is worse then communism some times.

True MHK, ttue, people from third world countries should also change. There is potential, that is why they are abandoned most of the time, create problems and somebody came in to be a Saviour, to be a messiah . When China went invited the African leaders to Beijing last years, Somalia (Durfor) incidents and China is blamed.

The world at the moment is too big for Myanmars. Let Myanmars change first to change their own country. Here at the moment Myanmars are stuck, they don’t even know to go forward or backward, that was why I said Myanmars are confused, they are
“ Amaung Toung Mhan Myaut Mhan Ma-thi” They don’t know which is South or which is North at the moment.

The way I see on what is happening in the world is, since U.S.S.R broke up. The power is in the hand of one Nation and one nation only namely US . That nation is becoming a dictator. Dictating the world how to eat, how to sleep and how to shit. If the world doesn’t listen to them just watch out. With the sweets words such political catch phrases and words such as democracy and human rights. Forget what they are saying, and look at what they are doing from all sides. and see the reality, see the truth. US is still powerful nation materially, but it is a falling nation. The only thing is it has becomes an elephant which has lost weight. Many countries fear US, because of its military might. politically it is down, blames are on George W Bush. Don’t worry Nobody will take him to court of justice in Geneva for crime against humanity. For his illegal acts.

World history has shown us that people tried to make peace by waging wars. To annihilate the opposite side is the only way they can achieve peace. There was no other way. When people tried to dominate others , that is the reason for war. Peace is only when you are keeping quiet no matter whoever has done whatever to you, be a good boy or a good girl, give them a smile. Even you try to be a good boy, behaving well but when your father had a row with your mother, you might get a kick from your father or at least a shout from your mother. That is a reward enough for you for being a good boy don’t you think?

MHK, you must see things clearly who are making wars. When people are left alone they will have peace. It’s easy to leave people alone , but we don’t want to do easy things, do we? We have to make things hard . Get busy. Ideas, beliefs, systems .

According to human rights, you as a human can believe anything you want to believe. That is how we understand. But , it is not like that, it seems like we have to believe, what they told us to believe. Who are they? I don’t know who they are, do you?

Buddhism teaches us how to find peace, make peace. Other religion might have their own teachings. But according to Buddhism, you and I individually find peace, 52 million people of Myanmar find peace, there will be peace in Myanmar. Peace does not mean that you have to give up everything. You have to surrender. I may be able to tell you more about this one day.

In simple language, your attitude, your behaviour , your language and choice of words , they count. Because they will direct you to war or to peace Body language such as folding arms and putting your arms on your hips when you talk to someone, the threat or the submission what is it? Or at least I mean you no harm makes a lot of difference, isn’t it MHK?

Peace is desirable, everybody is talking about peace, but nobody come to agree how this peace will be achieved. Everybody have their own way of doing things, if only they can compromise they ways of doing things. You will be laughing.


Of course, people can change, in our country or in any country. I am not disputing. As I have said above, what you and I understand may not be enough. The main thing is people of Myanmar, the majority of them must understand. Old politicians may understand that, why it has to be like that, I do not know about upstarts, including Ma Su Kyi. Some body must let the people know. Ma Su Kyi won’t do it because it is not in her favour. It is not in the interest of her.

The problem is MHK, as I have said many times, “ Poke Ko Khin Mha Tayar Min ” in my language I said “ personality and performance” again and again. Myanmars atre very fond of new things. They must understand not all the new things are better than the old ones. Myanmar saying is , “ Ayin Lo - Lan Oh Lite”, If you are in a hurry, take the old route.

MHK, I don’t think military and civilian are divided that much. I don’t think Shan, Kayin and so on are divided that much . It is the politicians who are trying to divide the nation and the people. What do you expect from a person like Ma Su Kyi who is a western trained upstart back up by the west. Divide and rule is the policy, whatever the splinters are there they will make them their puppets.

There are Shans, Chins, Kachins, Kayins Kayyahs, Mons and Yakhines at the national convention which laid down the basic principals for the new constitution.
For instance, if NLD was in power, and tried to draft the constitution, I am sure there will be many who would not accept , who would not agree with them who would not take part just to oppose. Would they stop what they are going to do till they get everybody agreement? The show must go on. We have to go forward with speed if possible.

Sorry to say MHK, that is why many times I asked who the Myanmars are. Myanmars with their unity have united Myanmar as one nation Many times before. The problem is there are too many who wants to be Kings. When they were made Kings they wanted it permanently.

Since 1824 and there onwards some of our brothers were given chocolate , cigarettes and nylon socks to wage war on their own brothers and sisters. In the American history tobacco , whiskey and guns were given to the indigenous people of Sioux nation ( Red Indians). The same happened in Myanmar , hill tribes people were given guns and recruited in to the British Burma Army. And that’s where all it started.

No hard feeling, things happened everywhere, things happening at present. But it is time in Myanmar everyone should grow up. I mean everyone.

This new Constitution is the best assurance for future. As you have rightly stated the best start, because we have a lot of things to do yet.

MHK, I said many times that my own people Myanmars have learning difficulties. They are deaf and dumb as well . If Myanmars don’t learned by now, then we have to accept what the British had said about us, “ inferior natives”. We are still inferior natives. I don’t know MHK, how many of our Myanmar people in Myanmar are following the world events. Do thy understand, what is going on. I doubt it. If they don’t like someone to educate them then they have to educate themselves., First thing to do is don’t listen to anybody, listen to their common sense.

European are still colonialists. They still control other nation in their own ways by their own means. Well if you want to talk about United States, Myanmar saying is,
“ Pyaw Masone Boung Taw Thoung Doung ”.


United States thinks it owns the world. . United States joined the war in the last minutes and liberated Europe. That is why US is the boss in Europe in the world. Because of Myanmar Tatmadaw which led Myanmars to struggle for independence and the fight against Japanese and British until Myanamr gained her independence.
Tatmadaw cannot be the big boss permanently, because of that.

United States has been trying to encircle China since 1950, encircling U.S.S.R not the Russia federation, at the same time. . Gen McArthur had the big idea to wipe China out.
All the small countries in Southeast Asia ended up with war. U.S.S.R and PR China did not fight the war, they let others to fight for them. Do you know there were 3000 U.S.S.R military advisors in Vietnam when it was fighting against US in the end, US had to ran away. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are still Communist, not to forget N.Korea. And they all survived, and the communism survived as well. They all are forces to reckon with, because they were UNITED.

Myanmar was lucky or it was because of wise leaders, including the late U Khun Za who had a common sense. More common sense than some of those leaders from the opposition side. If only U Khun Za had gave in, There would be permanent United States military base in Homong in Shan States within Union of Myanmar. These US missiles will be targeted at China and Russia. Myanmar would be a battle ground. Thanks to U Khun Za. God bless him and may he rest in peace.

It depends on the people of Myanmar. They must understand, Myanmar was flattened by the Japanese bombs because British were there. And the rest of the Myanmars was flattened again because the Japanese were there. That is our own country Myanmar.
“ Mi Aye Nha Khar Nar” .

That was why after the independence Myanmar became democratic, none aligned. We have had a few quarrels with our own brothers and sisters, throughout these decades, there is more then enough for us. The most part of our moneys and revenues have to be spent to fight against insurgencies and less had to be spent on developments.

Myanmar is a friend to all nations. Myanmar escaped what our friends Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam not to forget Korea could not escaped. To compare to those countries Myanmars must thanks to all the leaders of Myanmar foe being able to keep Myanmar away from these disasters.

MHK please understand that a line is being drawn. United States or Europe Union cannot cross a certain lines, they have to have their respect. Believe me because the world has seen enough. There is no more Arab who will let his camel comes into his tent and kick him out inn the end.

You are right, that is why Myanmar is still a non-aligned nation, a neutral nation even somebody pushed Myanmar to the other side. A friend can understand a friend.
That understanding is important, it is essential. We should continue doing what we are doing as far as our foreign policy is concerned, we are doing find, being non-aligned.

I don’t know about next government. I only hope they are not stupid to make Myanmar another battle field . Thailand got away or escaped during the last war, remember ?

MHK, Nation building is not one man’s job, not one group’s job, it is a job for everyone of 52 million people of Myanmar.

What happening is like the old saying, what some people are trying is “ Min Thame gyi Malote Yalo - Panma Gyi Htoo Phaut ” somebody is breaking the big drum. That may be in the interest of the nation from her side. “ Chit Sa Go Shey Zay - Mone Za Ko Toe Zay ” that is the teaching of our elders. But what we are seeing is the opposite of it.

I was full of hopes. When Mr Gambari was told that she will co operate with the SPDC. That is why I think SPDC came out with May referendum, and 2010 elections.

Who is playing the delaying tactics. I was told by my Ponna Lay that Ma Su Kyi has told her followers to tell the people to be extremely patient . What is she up to she will only know. Then SPDC announcement came out she is barred from election.

Some times ago I questioned about her status. Is she a citizen of Myanmar, where is her citizenship card. Was she on her mother’s family list. etc. Many years ago I suggested Ma Su Kyi should stay low and give guidance to her party . Just suggestion that’s all.

She wants to confront, she like confrontation. She is not trying to solve the problems because she herself is the problem. Mistakes will be made by anyone. But what is important is one must realise what mistake he/she has made to correct. If somebody ou thinks he/she is always right all the time . There is nothing more anyone can do.

Why do you and I have to talk about unity, togetherness, don’t they know? They should know more than you or I.

Readiness, and Preparation I questioned many times as well .

Whether you agree with me or not, one of my elders told me in Myanmar “ Lote Thalo Ma Opyit Yin - Phyit Thalo Lote Ya Laint Mei ”, Whichever way it may be, it has to be done. “ Yey Par Bo - Ayey Kyee De ” whether there is a hole in the bucket or not get the water..

“ Beggars can't be choosers “ that may be the English saying . They said it when they were masters. Today they are not masters anymore. What will the English be saying when American say it to them now? The English will say even the beggars have their human rights. That’s what the English are saying now. English will say anything when it suits them.

You can come up with ideas, whether tMyanmars are ready or not. If your idea is good they may change suddenly, who knows? Myanmars are never ready. Yazathinjan told them they have to act like Panbyar Bin, go with the flows. That is what they are doing at the moment, I think going with the flows. .

Nice talking to you, regards

Thunderbolts.<br><br>Post edited by: thunderbolts, at: 2008/02/20 22:10

Dear Thunderbolts,

I have discussed and received many emails from the people around me concerning the referendum.
One thing is sure – many Myanmars discuss about that whether or not they say YES or No is another matter. At least the referendum is in the centre of discussion topic.

So far I distinguished “Yes “and “No” groups among the people whom I know:

The “NO” group say that:

1. The proposed constitution allows the perpetuation of military state in Myanmar, because CinC has maximum power – such as right to declare emergency state etc…
2. The constitution is unjust – the only way “Tripartite talk” will resolve all the problems we are encountering
3. The international community will not recognise the constitution anyway
4. Finally we should not let do whatever military wants because they even killed the monks … etc

The “Yes” group say that:

1. The constitution is a progress or a step forward
2. some compromises have been made for ethnic groups
3. possibility or good opportunity for Nation Building

Our country is still very primitive in all. I see many people continue to think shallowly with lots of worships and desire to become salve physically and mentally ( some opponents even think of foreign invasion), but the problem is slaves can not see themselves slaves.

The teaching of the politicians (when I listen to BBC, RFA and VOA) to our people - &quot;anyway the international community will not recognise the constitution&quot; is for me really shameful.
For what reason we need IC’s recognition to our constitution? They are trying to convince our people that approving a constitution is like an international affair and not only our internal affair. In fact it is purely internal affair and it has nothing to do with the IC.

It is quite clear that dialogue is impossible. It is also clear no body knows what is the second choice or Plan B if that is rejected and the 2nd choice by the army could be more hardship. Changing the constitution is also not possible for now (it was possible if the opposition has been intelligent)

For now we are at the very lowest stage in the world regarding almost everything.
Unity is non-existence ( In your words, the outsiders divide us) . Our knowledge and technology are primitive. Our minds are of very low quality. Love, respect and trust flow to us form the people of the world is nearly zero. At the same time the flow of love, respect and trust from us to certain countries are very high – look at how Myanmar are struggling in the other countries.

Every one knows that the military-made constitution is not perfect no need to explain, but it is still better than current situation. If we believe we work for not just us, but also for the coming generations we should be able to say “Yes” to the constitution.

The world is changing everyday. Now the key to success in all domains is “compromising your own views for the good of the whole” , it does not exist in our society or may be the politicians are teaching us differently . Myanmars can not think globally and work for betterment of the country as a whole.

For me- &quot;military will take over when it see fits&quot; is true for every country not just for us which ever constitution we have, look at Thailand, it is true for Thailand and it is true for every country of the world.

I think by reading your long messages I learn many things which I did not know or I did not care. I do not agree with you at every point but the most important thing for me is I think we see the things the others do not see or miss.

I am trying my best to convince people around me our future lies in the constitution and it is on our own we have to rebuild our country and not to place hopes on the other persons.

Regards,

Da Gar Pauk Sa MoKeJoKe,

I think you are another piece of crap. That's my opinion da gar pauk sa spinner windmill wannabe.

Dear MHK,

The more they discuss the more they will find out the essence of it. That is a good sign MHJK, very good as long as they don’t ignore it. I don’t want Myanmars to be ignorant. Before they say “Yes “ or “No” , they have to understand it thoroughly about this constitution.

Like Myanmar saying “ Thu Myar Young Lo Young Ya De - Amaung Taung Mhan Myaut Mhan Mathi ” that is no good at all. We need to be mature ,. Adults.

Different of opinion will always be there, different of ideas will always be there. Opposite views will always there, we must accept it . Why ? Because it is nature. It is healthy in politic, it is for the better, we can improve ourselves. There are rooms to discuss there are rooms to debate. In proper manner, which means “ in discipline “ that is what the democracy is all about isn’t it?

1. “ perpetuation of military state in Myanmar” It seems like that isn’t it? But “No “ it is perpetuation of freedom. Independence and sovereignty of the Union of Myanmar. But that concern of military state is not justify. If they digest the constitution their concern will disappear. As I understand it this Commander in Chief won’t do anything in a rush or in a hurry without consulting other Hluttaw members in the parliament., and the President. There may be Pyidoungzu Hluttaw emergency meeting . That meeting will authorised if necessary. Tatmadaw is also learning from its mistakes. Even if there was a military coupe necessary it won’t be 40 years, that is the bottom line.

Believe it or not in 1962, U Nu already said he could not refused Kayin and Kayah to get out of the Union,. And some other states would follow suit. If only that materialised , where was Union of Myanmar going to be. Conse quences were so great people did not know, what people knew was “ Gen Ne Win took over power “
That was what the opposition of that time told Myanmars.

But in 1974 people had more understand of socialist constitution. People had other ideas, and BSPP lasted for twenty six years. Well these are all in the past.

Well , if there was situation for a military coupe , it could happened again , who knows. We have seen in many democratic countries. You know that. For example a few months ago in Turkey , the armed forces had seek the permission of the Turkish Parliament to go into Iraq, Kurdish region. Parliament authorised it. .That kind of authorization might be seek by Myanmar C n C first, if situation arises.

It is our duty, everybody duty not to created the situations which could invite military take over .for 6 months or 6 years doesn’t matter, we must not create , not fall into anybody’s trap. Especially the politicians who will use us.

We must make the democracy takes roots in Myanmar , that is our duty, that we must do without fail .

2. I would say that is the talk of armed insurgent groups who are still outside legal fold. They have been invited , many of their splinter groups were in the National Convention. Laying down basic principals and detailed principles. The said National Convention consisted many ethnic groups who are law abiding citizens of Myanmar. Many from all walks of life, Which is much mote than “ Tripartite ”. Who should I call it I don’t know.

Having said that, those armed insurgent group know exactly what to do . To be in the democratic society. But they did not want to do it. They missed the big change , the big opportunity. Whose false is that?

3. This Constitution is for the country called Pyidoungzu Thamada Myanmar Naing Ga Daw. It is not for any other nations, it is not for international community.
I won’t say as far as , it is not their business but actually it is not theirs.

What if I’d say to US to do this to do that, to change this and that in United States constitution? I know whatn they will do they will f - -k me. If the international wants to see, Myanmar in peace , tranquillity, , the progress and prosperous develop nation. If they really care about the people of Myanmar. The best is they should endorsed it. But that really doesn’t matter as long as the people of Myanmars approve it.

What does matter is the economy policy of Myanmar, and the laws related to economy, because international community might have interest to invest in Myanmar. That is another case.

We may not have things made in US or Europe. , but we will still have made in China and made in Russia. That is good enough for us. Don’t you think.

International Community should understand , this constitution has everything they expect, everything they longed for. The only thing is according to this constitution their little darling sister Ma Su Kyi or Mrs. Aris has no place in Myanmar’s politic That is their main objection to it, If Ma Su Kyi gets a place or if Ma Su Kyi have a right to control put the Tatmadaw under stinking foot the international community will be
alright.

This constitution is for the unity of Myanmar, to build Myanmar into one nation fit for all people to live in as one people. They international community should be glad and should be helping Myanmar.

4. Finally we should not let do whatever military wants because they even killed the monks etc
4. You have seen what happened in other small nation during these years, to compare to Myanmar. What has happen in Myanmar were nothing.

Killing monks or killing people are not desirable, un necessary . It is not right at all MHK, but sometimes when you try to restore peace , law and order it is unavoidable. Especially in 1988 , there were so many people in the blocks who were picked and deliberately killed, and beheaded by the mob, led by the monks.

Especially Monks are being used by the politicians. How many were real monks, how many fakes and bogus. When they are check their ID they ran disappear from the scene as well as from the country. You may have seen the footage on the TV. Did you honestly believe those fklying Tharthanar flagsm shouting slogans with arms high, were respectable Buddhist Monks? How many bogus and fake monks taken refuge in the monasteries you don’t know I don’t know.

In the eyes of the outsiders, yellow robe with bald heads are all Buddhist Monks. Because they could not differentiate them who is who. In Myanmar Buddhist Monks are not Shaolin Monks. As far as international community is concerned, Shaolin or not a Monk is a Monk. That is their view.

“ SPDC , Yote Tayet Ashite Hto Khan Lite Ya De “ because of these bogus and fake monks You see how clever the politician. That is why I don‘t like them very much. To be honest. don‘t like the monks who made themselves available to be used. I am a Buddhist, I believe in Buddha and his teachings of the way of life.

I only hope Buddhist are not copying Muslims terrorists. I hope international community will not look down on Buddhists like they do on Muslims. Because of these bogus and fake monks from Myanmar.

When there are political changes, thing happen . These things do happen in the whole wide world. That is why we need to be careful, very careful.

You don’t know, even to install Democracy in other countries how many Monks , or Priests, or Mullahs or Rabis were killed , who’s counting, anyway ? Killings has become part of the game. I wish it wasn’t like that. I don’t have to elaborate that, do I? You know very well.

MHK I would like to interpret as “ There were causalities, so many people died in the incident , during the riots, during the chaos” etc., etc.

Yes I agree this constitution is a progress or a step forward. This constitution is much. much better than the last two constitutions. Compare to those, this could be called the best that Myanmar has. We have to make it work. When we put into practice, we may find some difficulties then we have to find some alternatives., which may mean amendments, all in democratic way. That’s the way it should be.

We had democracy before, what did we do with it? This time we had to treasure it, value, take care of it. Because we did not get it free. It cost us blood, sweat and tears. The cost was higher and higher everyday.

True some compromises have been made for ethnic groups., why not . Ethnic groups are our brothers living on the same soil, drinking the same water. Because some of our leaders in the past did not make enough compromises with the ethnic groups. Some even accused not only our leader, but Bamar as a domineering race undermining every other races in Myanmar. Which was not true. But today this constitution makes everything clear. National Reconciliation. Confidence, Trust Harmony you name it everything is their towards prosperity.

That may be the case international community does not like it. The international Community which consists of former colonial maters does not like to see their former colonial slave living in peace &amp; harmony in Progress, Prosperous and Developed..
In their mind they are still the colonial Masters and everybody is their slaves. What will Wilberforce of Britain say., what will Abe Lincoln of US say if they were alive today.

If you don’t want to say “possibility or good opportunity for Nation Building” what would you like to say? Nation Building is not one person’s job,. not only for one group either. It is the responsibility of everybody, 54 million people of Myanmar. Everybody has to take their part, especially those who consider themselves as leaders of the nation.

“ Primitive “ . you may call it. Because Myanmars whom most of them are Buddhist are still living with the idea which is over two thousand five hundred years ago. For that I once said that Myanmars are drowning in the philosophies. There is nothing wrong with the idea, but putting these idea into practice, is not right in my view, I said it many time Buddhism is a way of life. Myanmars should make good use of this Buddhism in their daily life, logically, practically. Nirvana is here it is not in the space or beyond.

Sorry, to say, going to Pagodas, Monasteries, worry beats ( Seitbadi )in the hand, saying prayers alone won’t make one’s life easy, it would not make the country great or developed and progress. That is a kind of weakness in my view.

These tactics may only help the Monks. That’s why Monks are encouraging the lay people to do Danna, Thila, and Bawanas. That make the Monks rich, the nation and the people poor.

How to educated the people ? That is the responsible for the Government, parents, teachers . Like it or not call it as you will. But the propaganda is by the opposition. What the BBC, VOA and RFA or DVB are doing is nothing but propaganda.

The people must be informed thoroughly. The people need information about what the government is doing and what is the plan for the future. Through Radio, TV magazines and papers. If possible exhibitions shows etc., etc. must be staged. Talks and workshops.

The government must understand. Myanmars like “ Yaw Badamyar - Yaw Nagar ”. That is why Ma Su Kyi and NLD and US and UK are denying the rights of the people to progress, rights of the nation to developed by calling economic sanctions. They are afraid if SPDC can provide the people with everything, they will lose not only the battle but the war.

They are trying to strip the people of Myanmar everything. During RC and during BSPP, you may remember the demonetization of the bank notes. That is nothing to compare to these economic sanctions. A few days ago United States announced the freezing of the assets of Asia world , a company which is a building contractor in Singapore which was building roads and bridges, schools, hospitals and so on, in Myanmar.

MHK, Myanmars are great people, they are not “ inferior native “ as one Brit had described. Myanmars are bright, talented people with plenty of potentials. That is what international community is afraid of. Myanmar as a nation has plenty of natural resources, these are what the international community is after. Myanmars can go along way. That is why the international community cannot share their technical know-how with the Myanmars. Especailly if Myanmar refused to be control by them.
So they have to brain wash the people of Myanmar through the radios.

I don’t think it will be rejected. Myanmars now knows more about NLD ond Ma Su Kyi more than before. Myanmars knows who is making the country un developed, Myanmars know now who are making their life hell.

To answer your question straight, and give you the example, the people will see this constitution took away the military domination or military leadership in Myanmar’s politic. That is a good sign. If BSPP one party rule was accepted by the people. Approved by the people, there is more chance this constitution will be approved by the people. People are fair, they will give the leaders a chance, the nation a chance and most of all they will give themselves a chance. .

The politicians must teach the people the right things. They must lead them right way, .not mislead them. Not to bribe the people with what they like to hear deliver what they need. ..

Myanmar is a member of the United Nations In this world organization there are also fair people . There is check and balance in the UN.

“ Unity is non-existence”? no I don’t think so. Yoummanybe going too far . If you don’t mind me saying so. Because if we have got a certain Unity. We were gone long ago. We need more Unity. We need those who are still isolating themselves from us to unite with the rest of us. That is what we still need.

We are more united then before. Look at the National Convention. The more the merrier it was. All law abiding citizens were there. No, you cannot expect every one to agree or accept. Democracy does not guarantee every single one will agree or disagree. Whether military made constitution or civilian made constitution, all constitutions are not perfect, that is why there must be rooms for amendments, whenever situation and circumstances permit. .

Yes, the world is changing, have Myanmars changed yet? Myamar must go with the flow. If they are , in what way they are changing? Many times I said. Myanmars are confused, because there is too much outside interference. They are bombarded with propaganda through BBC, VOA, RFA, DVB.

Most Myanmars are naturally simple and quiet people. They are not afraid of anything. They don’t talk very much, they mind their own business. that quietness and minding their own business is interpreted or translated by some Myanmar politicians as FEAR. That alone shows, the opposition leader especially Ma Su Kyi does not understand Myanmrs at all. The opposition is insulting the people. That is a shame.

Compromising is not in Ma Su Kyi’s dictionary. If she is a leader, she should know time to make war and time to make peace. She always wants war. She is digging her own grave. She knows she is a goner long before she started. She has nothing to lose. She came with empty hands but she will not gog with empty hands, as amtter of fact she will go with plenty in her hands. She has sucessfully exploited the people of Myanmar. Being an ENgglish man's wife serves her well, very well.

That is what Ma Su Kyi as a politician is teaching the people, exploitation of man by man, in her case by woman.

“ Military takes over ” can happen in any country whenever necessary, whenever opportunity arises. Thailand is not like Myanmar, politically, economically far better than Myanmar. far peaceful than Myanmar. If it could happened in Thailand, what happened in Myanmar could be understood.

Thanking you for reading my messages, nothing personnel, its is the interest of the nation, in the interest of the people. I learned a lot of things from you as well or being in this forum.

If there is some thing you don’t understand or cannot agree, we can discuss, more. We can at least come to agree to disagree an d stop there and discuss other things , and at the next opportunity we may agree who knows, depends on situation and circumstances, isn’t it? After all we are civilised people. Aren’t we?

Nice talking to you.

Regards,

Thunderbolts.

Message from the dead Buddhist Monks:

Da Gar Gyi thunderbugs,

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Dear Thunderbolts,

“ perpetuation of military state in Myanmar” I do not believe in it either, for simple reason, I don’t think Military itself will not willing to do it each time the situations are not suite to them because they also need to change to suite with new kind of political system after the constitution is implemented.
Moreover, new kind of generations will be emerged into the military continuously – also it also needs to change to fit with time and development of the world. Of cause the possibility of the coup d’état is always there we can not deny – it does not follow that it will definitely happen.

Now the SPDC is delivering the temporary ID cards for the ethnic members of cease fire groups – it is already good (even if some claim that they are just a temporary) - That’s mean for me they have their home which is Myanmar and they are not homeless or stateless people – I really hope that all ethnic people ( actually fighting groups as well as all IDP people) will get Myanmar citizen cards soon and will be able live in Myanmar in near future.

I do not think Buddhist monks are copying the Muslim terrorist ( between personally I wouldn’t call Muslim terrorists because being Muslim nowadays is not easy. Everywhere they are automatically under watch either or not you are active Muslim. If we look at their history there are really good reasons for them to use violent means – as you said later in your message if we call them terrorist then why don’t we call Bush and its cabinet terrorists – they also destroyed and invaded other countries for non existence
WMD) – it is true that some monks have been used or persuaded by politicians and combined with general discontentment among public – September demo exploded - I would put it that way. The problem is we can not live in a cycle of crackdowns and demonstrations for always, we should move on one step further.

I don’t like SPDC but I have no faith in the opposition. After 20 years, they become like SPDC, I see no difference between. SPDC has a blacklist for journalists as well as the opposition also has their own blacklist. The pro-opposition media are giving the modified info in order to suite their side – they hide the info when it is not suite to them then they tell people what state media says is totally false. You are right to say that people should analyse the info they receive themselves. Howmany people do it I don’t know.

At present politicians are not teaching the people right things – they are just telling the people to support them whatever they do. They tell people just to follow them and not to think. They are telling the people
They represent truth and SPDC represent injustice. I don’t know who can tell us he or she represent “truth” except from “God”.

As SPDC will make the referendum successful, for me the opposition should concentrate on the restructuring, remaking their policies and strategy in order to come up with news and fresh ideas in 2010. If they continue putting their time and energy in revolting and people power movement – they can not be updated with news visions for 2010 – they should formulate their visions – how they can work together with all people : military, people and ethnic to shape the future state of our country for better under the constitution ( under the given condition).

Best Regards,