1. Tripartite talk
2. All Inclusive Road map
3. Re-drawing of the whole constitution
The above 3 demands are out of moderate wishes and show clearly the non-compromise willingness. Therefore all three are impossible demands.
The talk must be between the Junta and civil opposition side or/and between the Junta and the armed battling ethnic groups. The tripartite between Junta + NLD + armed battling ethnic groups is out of question.

Like it or not, Myanmar military government has always handled the problem of armed ethnic groups whether or not by talks or wars.
Moreover the only and foremost things Myanmar military has always avoided “talk” with the opposition is mainly because the opposition has always asked for “tripartite” talk and “all inclusive” – yet however they forget that there are the cease-fire groups that had participated in the NC. If Aung Sun Suu Kyi had wanted “all inclusive”, why she refused to attend in the NC in 2004?
The “all inclusive” call is mainly promoted by so call exiles groups sponsored by US. Even armed battling ethnic groups know well that that kind of tripartite talk is impossible in Myanmar. That’s why they said federal state is long way to go!!
Even the 88 generation group once said that tripartite talk was so premature in Myanmar regarding the geopolitics and history of Myanmar in an interview. The talk must be between the Junta and NLD. The problems of ethnic must be handled by junta-ethnic. At this point I will have to mention that the majority of Myanmar people strongly oppose to the federal state system- like it or not!!
Re-drawing of the whole constitution is totally absurd – if anyone stupid from the Myanmar military will accept that. Buying “democracy” that way is so easy – even for talk we longed for 20 years – and still uncertain.
If Aung Sun Suu Kyi continue with her stand with 3 demands mentioned above then I conclude that she has not change anything and more importantly she has not compromise anything at all – the thing is without compromise, no talk is possible.
Time to choose for the People of Myanmar “Our cause” and Aung San Suu Kyi”
Aung Sun Suu Kyi should be step down.
NLD needs serious restructuring of the Party (but this is not our cause, this is their party affair).
Now things are clearer for us. “Talk” is not happening why? The Junta is not willing to talk or Aung Sun Suu Kyi demand too much. By letting her met with her party’ CEC members she was due to make a statement in which her main concern is for Tripartite Talk. If the Myanmar military wants Tripartite talk, all might be resolved even in 88.
Spain, France and all countries wanted federal state however “No Talk” had happened in that regard why?

Every country want federal state, only 3 countries realised more or less so call federal state. Why?
Every thing should be clear-cut before entering into talk what we want and what we do not care – defining 3 big lines with vast definition is totally useless.

Time to choose for the people of Myanmar. For me personally it is Time for Aung San Suu Kyi to step down. However I don't think she will do therefore it is up to People of Myanmar to discard Aung San Suu Kyi from the process entirely (even together with her party NLD).<br><br>Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/01/30 20:30

Hi MHK,

you are so honnest and naive. You did not understand ASSK's message.


Her status quo is playing an important role in the constitution, because the proposed constitution prevents her to play an important role in Burmese politics. She will make all to delay the referendum process. And also US have confirmed her total support. US want “Butto of Burma” in Burma, for them Suu Kyi is Butto of Burma once known in Pakistan “Mr 10%’s wife” when she had exercised as prime minister – but her assignation saved her image as an heroic image in history.

But all these things such as US’s puppet are inevitable in Burma situated between China and India. So all Burmese people can hope is that best among worst things.

Let’s hope Than Shwe will make some kind of compromise for Suu Kyi’s status quo guarantee in the constitution – the review of the constitution and etc.. to please Suu Kyi. Than Shwe has no other choice in my opinion. Because Suu Kyi has a heavy weight from international community especially from US and EU. So you can not discard her at all and she knows it.

All US want is she be a top figure in the future state of Burma to balance Chinese power in the region. This is also Burmese military want to avoid.

Her call for tripartite talk is just superficial – just make up. All will be calm when she gets her status quo.

Believe me you can not discard her at all. And Than Shwe and its military will propose a status quo for her guarantee by the constitution and she will be calm. She has already decided to sacrifice Burmese people until she get her status quo.

So you will see soon (only months) the review of the constitution – delay for referendum.

But there is no status quo for the ethnics not even a bit, if they trust in her ability to have federal state, it will be must mistaken. They have already got their status quo in the proposed constitution – superficial state parliaments – by compromising the status quo with Suu Kyi – Than Shwe will get Suu Kyi’s help in ethnic groups for pushing them to be satisfied with superficial state parliaments. Burma’s military will never give status quo that will enforce possible future federal state to the ethnics, they prefer to die but never give it.

So the solution is negotiating with SK for status quo in Future state of Burma – that’s all she wants.
All these stuffs Tripartite Talk, all inclusive are just meaningless – all inclusive just means “status quo for Suu Kyi”
So you see it is just a hunger of political power between Than Shwe and Suu Kyi – there nothing for the Burmese people welfare.

I tell you you can not discard her at all from politics she gain greatest support from the world's most powerful US. She knows it. She is buying her political career at the expense of Burmese people.

Ohnmar

Dear ALL,

Why I do not agree with Daw Aung Sun Suu Kyi?
1. Tripartite Talk
- this is very sensitive subject and weakness of our country. I personally oppose to a federal state at all cost.
- And Myanmar military never accept it either.
2. All inclusive Road Map
- she should not have rejected the NC and Road map categorically, because the road map is the only game in town where we voice our political ideas, the only open door.
3. Re-drawing of the whole constitution – re-starting all over again
- That’s mean she simply wants the transfer of power to the NLD or civil. If we add all parties concerned such as ethnic, NLD, exiles’s wishes, activists, in the drawing process of the constitution, we jump in the so call full democracy without solid foundation.
- Many ethics groups are dependent on foreign countries financially, socially and most of all militarily. I will not reproach them at all for it, the situation and circumstances are not at their side and they become dependent of others.
- Concerning the various exiles groups. Almost all are relying on the financial aide from famous NED ( National Endowment for Democracy of US). Many activists and their children, family get the scholarships from NED. Sometimes NED send the senior activists to South Africa, US and EU countries for a course of political science ( 3 weeks to 3 months ) where they learn Henry Thoreau's Civil Disobedience and Gene Sharp's idea for non-violence civil strike - To make civil disobedience happen in the corresponding countries. These kind of courses are well-known for US to train it allies in order to maintain their super power as long as possible. Here again I would not like to reproach
any activists or groups. However when we start to build very fresh semi democratic country, we need national preventive policy in order to prevent from becoming like Pakistan or Iraq. People need to be educated firstly. We all know what kind of interests US and China not to mention Thailand and other countries have in our country. When you receive money/help from other people you need to repay it back in one or another way and sooner or later. I think and believe that we must not want any kind of exiles groups return back (I don’t mean come back home) to our country in order to play political roles. They will definitely be the puppets of US and West or any other country they are depended on. That’s is the start of destruction or chaos. Therefore we need to implement a national preventive policy in the interest of our Nation ( qualifications and disqualification for an candidate) in the constitution to prevent them playing any kind of political role as long as our fresh country is not ready for self defence intelligently and economically (that’s mean 10 or 20 years). I think that we must not want any kind of Buttho of Burma or Allawi of Burma in place at the TOP level of Myanmar government at all.
- We do not need to rewrite the constitution from the beginning, but we need to render the constitution amendable for future democratisation . Yes we should re-negotiate the constitution – add some modification – bargain for status quo for military and civil part in the constitution – such as actually military get 25% it could be reduced to 15% or to amend some chapters more easily than actual quota. Even for the qualification and disqualification to be a candidate – still here we can re-negotiate for some points.


4. concerning Daw Aung San Suu Kyi: She is not seeing the reality of our country situation at all. What she said? she was unsatisfied ! is strategically little value or wrong. Its simply shows that she does not still understand the situation very well. May be like some observers said because she was being flattered by the support she had got from monks and September demos and US and west support - but the thing is we see it in different perspective ( I only mean monks demos not US and west support). And when I read on Irrawaddy – she sees “stupid” like questions what does mean co-operation is really un-understandable while everybody was trying to decode her statement word by word so hardly what she really wanted to convey!!! Myanmar military is just trying to get her opinions in that regard – she should see it as a good sign and try to explain further. I think she is stupid and childish politician, easily to be puppets of her flatters and finally for me she is irrelevant leader and we should discard her from the process. And look at U Aung Shwe 89 years old unable to understand the situation how can these leaders rule our country – unthinkable!! Too stupid and too childish, sorry for my words but I find no other word. I do not have any kind of like or dislike towrads her, I simply find her stupid and childish that’s all.

FYI – notes from Chapter “ELECTIONS”


1. Person serving prison terms;
2. Person whose term of electoral disqualification has not expired due to committing a crime and being convicted, before or after the Constitution comes into force.
to ban most MP-elects of 90 elections – be they in prison, in exile, at home or otherwise.
This point we can negotiate.3. Mentally-incapacitated person recognised by relevant laws;
4. Person declared as being bankrupt.
5. Person owing allegiance to a foreign government or to a foreign subject, or citizen of another country;
6. Person entitled to the rights and privileges of a subject of a foreign government or of a foreign citizen: This is for ASSK as well as all exiles concerned.
7. Beneficiary person or member of an organisation that directly or indirectly receives assistance such as money, land, house, building, vehicles and materials from a foreign government or a religious organisation or other organisations;
8. Private individual or member of an organisation that uses a religious pretext for political purposes, and incites the public to vote or not to vote, by making speeches and declarations;
9. Member of religious orders (religious clergy)
10. Civil/Public servant;
11. Exception: This shall not apply to Tatmadaw members of Hluttaw;
12. Beneficiary person or member of an organisation that directly or indirectly makes use of State funds, land, house, building, vehicles and materials.
13. Exceptions: State pensions, allowances and facilities officially granted by the State for the service rendered for the good of the State are not included.
14. Person whose term of electoral disqualification has not expired because of an unlawful act or of the failure to comply with the election law, before or after the Constitution comes into force.

Best Regards,

Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/02/02 21:45

Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/02/02 21:51<br><br>Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/02/02 22:11

MHK,

“We must discard Aung San Suu Kyi from the process “ 2008/01/30 20:24

I won’t go as far as that , as strong as that . You were right and you have a right to say what you feel. But let me add a little more to what you have said, or let me go the other way round. .

The three demands are not impossible. They are possible and they are already been met. Just because some people were not there because they w ere following the orders from above. It was by their own choice , they did not join, that is not our concern. Those who are under that person are cowards , like hen packed husband Mr Rip Van Winkle they should stay away from that hen , should be sleeping twenty years in one of the caves in the Hudson Bay. That will be their one and only escape.

1. Tripartite talk

National Convention which finished couple of months ago was more than TRIPARTITE. Not just talks between three parties , it was between all parties. It was a good discussion, it was good seminar, it was a body which was shaping the future. Myanmar with people from all walks of life. That National Convention laid down basic principles for the New Constitution for Union of Myanmar.

Those who were seeking genuine National Reconciliation, those with common sense who were following that National Convention and those principals know what they are for, what w as the aiming object..

During U Nu and his Slogan of “ Ta Hnit Atwin Nyein Jan Yey “ or peace within a year. U Nu tried his very best. Some people should studied what he had done.

Again the care taker government of Gen Ne Win between 1958 -60 , regarding National Reconciliation tried his best in many ways to do the same to have the same National Reconciliation.

U Nu again in 1962 to have another seminar to have National Reconciliation at the BBS hall. The probability were such Gen Ne Win had to stage a coupe.

When Gen Ne Win and the RC came back in 1962 as RC, pursued National Reconciliation . Peace talks with Communist, peace talks with KNDO(Kayins).
Formed States Government. States Councils, A State administration etc headed by leaders of Shan, Chin, Kachin, Kayin and Kayah and Yakhine. They were minding their own state affairs within the Union of Myanmar.Myanmar was Union of Myanmar. It was not called Federal States of Myanmar. But it was more like
federalism.

Since 1988 military government of SLORC and later SPDC continued this National Reconciliation . They managed to get ceasefire. Laid down seven steps road map, declared to the world. SPDC initiated National Reconciliation by mean of National Convention and through the New Constitution which is about to come.

SPDC had handle each issue individually with each group separately an dthen they came met together at the National Convention.

There are people who are not happy. That is nature or that is human impulse. There is nothing you can or anybody can do about it. “ Ta Mi Bout - Ta Yout Htun “ in a family there will always be either a bright one or a stupid one.

The sad thing is, where there was a change of government or the change of a leader the National Reconciliation had to start again from the very beginning. All the agreements with the previous government seemed to be invalid or broken .

2. All Inclusive Road map

If anybody does not want to, participate in the process of National Reconciliation due to his or her own self interest , that person should be ousted by others. Myanmars are so “ Ahnarde”, That is always been a problem with Myanmars. Especially “ Kyey Zu Shin Ye Thamee “ the daughter of Ko Aung San . Besides Ko Aung San may be a Kyey Zu Shin for the Myanmars but his daughter Ma Su Kyi is nothing absolutely nothing . She is nothing but trouble maker for Myanmar. She has done nothing for Myanmar . Look at her profile thoroughly.

Jesus Christ never tried to confront the Romans. He tried to preech peace. He tried to make a chair, Ma Su Kyi did not even tried to dig a shit hole .for herself, let alone for other Myanmars., why should other dig a shit hole for her?

The National Reconciliation is in the interest of the nation where people are living. Nobody can interpret in his or her own way. No body should try and con the people with pretty words from political catch phrases. At the National Convention, insurgent groups who had ceasefire with SPDC. Formerly armed insurgents groups which had surrendered were there. And people from all walks of life, If that is not National Reconciliation, what was it, then?

3. Re-drawing of the whole constitution .

National Convention which was aimed for National Reconciliation had laid down basic principals for drafting the New Constitution which I believe is now in the process. Let us try and materialise that constitution. Let us taste and test. If you don’t taste and test and you won’t know if it is good or bad. It is not a poison, the best could be bitter, it won’t kill you for sure. .

Democracy, human rights , economic developments and progress must be the priorities. Whoever rules after the elections. I have suggested so many times that there are no constitution in the world a which has no amendments. New constitution for Union of Myanmar can be amended accordingly if and when the circumstances and situation are changed. Let the democracy take the root first. That is what we need, democracy must be rooted firmly in Myanmar . This democracy must be respected by all.

Ma Su Kyi cannot lead the nation she can not follow SPDC. The she should get out off the way or step aside .

The honourable thing for her to do is, withdraw herself from the politic.

Thunderbolts.

Hm... hm.. hm... Funny guys!! I'm sure all the above postings were written by chee brains who are desperately jealous of the people support of DASSK. They should see psychiatrist first. Iy's called house maid syndrome. A house maid, who secretly wrote love letters at home and post it from the market to her own address. She was so content when she received them by post and dreaming of boy friends.

Like it or not, people are still behind Daw Su and NLD.
That's why the SPDC propaganda never come to halt. One can see clearly that Daw Su always enjoy thousands of followers and good citizens queuing behind her wherever she goes which Than Shwe or any other military leaders never dreamed of. They have to force the people to make every association.

The real wish of people is simple. Kick Than Shwe's ass out of the way and start rebuilding the country with Daw Su.

This is a typic message of an actvist. Generally what I notice in Burmes pro-democracy lobbyists (everywhere)is they can not accept different point of view when they get it they are getting anger reply with anger without thinking much of the consequences.

But they have no land mark idea to argue or alternative ideas to compete with.

I tell you something Shew Kyee, there are so many in NLD or in young student groups inside Burma who are eager to discard Suu Kyi, they are just waiting for good time to do it.



Ohnmar

Tell me one of your so called land mark idea to argue Ohnmar.

You want to ateck opposition leaders whoever it was and waiting for a good time.
All I see in your postings are wishfulll thinkings like a housemaid I mentioned.

You better face the reality. You can fight her in free and fair election, if you think you are better.
I'm ready to bet against the odds.

Dear Thunderbolts,

Thanks for your message and sorry for late reply, because i needed to think before writing a response.

You are right to say that I expressed my views strongly and very openly, therefore many people in this forum were not happy of my saying “ We must discard Aung San Suu Kyi” however as far as I know this is not an option never thought before for the people of Myanmar as well as among activists inside country. I am not activist at all. I am just an ordinary citizen of Myanmar the only difference thing I may have is I can vote and this may not be the case for some who participate in this forum. May be this is an advantage for me to critic openly the Junta or Opposition whoever I wish. I am attached only to Myanmar and people of Myanmar and it’s culture, people, landscape and religion. I am not attached to any other person or any organization or party or group. I am independent entirely. For the moment I am studying, observing, analyzing all things, people, groups, parties, exiles, countries and their interests relative to our country and make my opinions and my visions for future known in my environment, families, friends as mush as I can and as far as I can by all ways I can use safely. I am studying how we Myanmar people can pull out of from this political impasse while preserving our independence, our identity, our state untouched at all cost and with the minimized sacrifices as mush as possible.

Rome is not built in one day. The most important thing for me is able to start working as quickly as possible because we have no time at all to lose. For me People come first, simply because I am one of them, therefore I need to protect my own interests if necessary and if I think something is becoming an obstacle rather than a help I will not hesitate to discard any person or group or party. I run my world and no other person. And this is the message I am trying to convey all people I know and I don’t know if they are people of Myanmar.

1. Tripartite Talk/ All inclusive Road Map

Recently NLD issued a statement addressing essentially to the cease-fire groups saying that these groups were be welcome for any kind of talk with NLD. It’s too late now, how strategically funny, childish and totally valueless. They had got this chance in 2004 if they would have accepted NC and road map. Everybody acknowledged that NC would not be free 100%, but many people suggested them to attend saying that they would at least have face to face talk with cease-fire groups and tried to get an agreement with them, proposed something concrete within the NC with all other parties together and not to mention massive support from international community, all groups inside and outside, they would certainly get something very concrete within this NC show. But Daw Aung San Suu Kyi ordered her party not to attend. Now she wants Tripartite talk and ordered her CEC members who all are over 85 ( some of them when they speak nobody can understand but wait until printed paper to read) to issue this statement, wants to restart all over again. She is for me like a child who does not know really what he wants but only to cry.

In conclusion, I agree with you that Tripartite talk/all inclusive road map in fact was possible. And besides, we could even transform it into a meaningful Tripartite Talk if we wished, but unfortunately we did not wish it or more correctly Daw Aung San Suu Kyi did not wish it at that Time in 2004. But she refuses to admit her political errors. How could I accept her as our leader. How could such a mediocre leader can rule our country? unable to read the situation and refuse to accept the reality!!

Her party had made a landslide victory in 90 elections. We are in 2008, 20 years passed. If they could not manage to get political state power, simply because they did not merit to it. It has nothing to do with Myanmar people. Politics is all about state power, no victim in a political game. Every body justify their actions. It is not us to support them continuously even after 20 years. Only the results that count.



2. Re-drawing of the whole constitution

I will not accept for the reasons I wrote in my previous posts ( National Preventive Policy)

3. SPDC needs to reconcile with the people of Myanmar (no need at all to reconcile with the opposition, because it beocme irrelevant)

While I disagree with the opposition side and express my wish to discard Daw Aung San Suu Kyi from the process entirely, I suggest and advice the Myanmar Military government to reconcile with the people of Myanmar ( for me the opposition does not represent at all People of Myanmar now) in the interest of our Nation. The SPDC should make some compromises in the constitution in order to make assure our people that they would lead our country into the good direction / democratic country – this point I disagree with you, because you suggest to accept the constitution as it is actually. We need to admit that Myanmar military had done many mistakes to our country and to our people. If the SPDC make some compromises in the constitution while rejecting the opposition I am totally sure and confident that people of Myanmar will vote for the constitution. And at the same time we will pull out from this political impasse – finally peace will come to our country and we will rebuild our country.

BR<br><br>Post edited by: MokeHimKha, at: 2008/02/07 21:25

Mokehinkar wrote : SPDC needs to reconcile with the people of Myanmar. We need to admit that Myanmar military had done many mistakes to our country and to our people.

I took it as improving from military side. All military personal must realize sermon this true situation. thanks.

MokeJoke,

Don't even think about discarding Daw Suu for if you do, you will be living in dark ages and untouch with reality and will be left out hi 'n' dry in sahara desert. In fact you and your bosses or home grown fascists will be discarded by the world majority &quot;advanced&quot; people. In other words, mokejoke.........you will be left out in the cold ice age!