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for those who want to read 6 Months ago Karma: -5  
(1) Do you think our military is right in
everything?
If I were you, I would have said, "NO" but will add
the explanation in reasonable manner. thats the way to
start a good friendly talk. even though the question
posed may seem quite hostile. after all, maturity and
patience should be exercised by elder and powerful. in
this case government Vs socalled opposition
Public opinion is rather dicey, you know it I know it
everyone knows it but in order to secure the public
opinion (trust issue) government must exercise
"reliable consistency in the conduct of their
officials and representatives" and establish that what
government or its officials providing information are
"not corrupted". there will alway be someone or some
groups questioning the integrity but once integrity is
established, public opinion is secured.
> (2) Do you think the way they are handling our
> problems is correct?
I do think that they are TRYING to do their best but
not their BEST. Many obsticles and many internal
problems/external destruction, we are aware but still
there are many things could have done better
especially in making people lives easy.

(3) Do you think accusations of some outrageousbribery
and power abuse are unproven?
the way I see is rather than counter-attacking on
such question, government must and should prove that
what portion of its administration machine is
"corrupted" and how they are addressing it
"religiously". Reassuring the public that government
will do everything in its power to punish those who
abuse the office and position. At the same time
government must encourage the public to address the
issue collectively. how many ph lines are working and
how many concerns were addressed? people are afraid
you know it I know it. How can we change that? Pls do
not be too assertive about that noone can prove the
corruption charge against any general. I do not
question the integrity of any individual but I do
question the way things happening in myanmar
collectively. we have to establish that things that
arenot quite right and things that have been improved,
with open mind and open heart with the view to make it
better for the whole country.
(4)Do you think THIS IS THE time that we all need to
do better to make our country and people better?
THIS IS the time simply for the reason that handing
over torch is one way or another going to happen, in
my view very very soon. yes there are many eliments
still looking out to the west but face it, we are
facing east and its more than we like it and you and I
know, how it will impact to our national interests in
a long run, socially morally and given the fact the
way our myanmar mentality operates, we are like
pulling the tiger's tail. so is the socalled the
groups you know. I am sensing that there are some
spots that government can win over among socalled
opposition circle if trust can be established.
you know I know, handful of people can change the
course of history so make these handful work together
for the country. You know and I know that the tune is
a bit changing from opposition circle towards Tatmadaw
and as a big brother, Tatmadaw should win over
abovementioned spots. the way handling the accusation
and addressing the differences, there are more work to
be done. Have a look at socalled Pro-Blog and
anti-blogs and sites over last ten years. I dont put
the same question to Bush or Blair as they dont belong
to Myanmar. But I have done my bits over last 10 yrs
to balance these campers, mostly undesirable
characters and with extreme confrontational tone.
yes we are fully aware of unreasonably bias reporting
of foreign media thats why you are writing and I am
writing. isnt it?

I know in a way, we have missed the a few opportunity
to make it work due to their unreasonable behaviour
and demands. I know Tatmadaw will have to do what it
has to do and its the only institution that can
maintain our nation. but using this opportune time it
can regain the glory and trust of public not to
mention respect and reliance for a long run. that will
gurantee long term future for our country if anyone
misbehave or try to lead us in a garden path!! you
know what I mean.
 
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Re:for those who want to read 6 Months ago Karma: -2  
My dearest O,

Very interesting heading, "for those who want to read." Your mood is alarming. Are you alright? Which side of the bed you got up this morning? How's the family, okey? Whatever it is, calm down and pull yourself together. We have thing s to tak about.

Abrupt and outspoken person are not popular now adays.

You had your own answers you wanted to know what others think. Well, why not. You can expect not much to come out. They are Myanmar or so called Myanmars. They like to watch Zutt Pwe, Ah Nyeint Pwe and Kwet Seit Pwe, Nwer Pwe Khway Pwe, Kyet Pwe they will laugh and they will cry in some cases.

Some times people like you and I and some others who takes things seriously becoming laughing sticks for them. Because we show our feeling, That is because we are Myanmars. Most Myanmars don’t take things seriously. Even if they do they don't show. They stay well away from all troubles. They don't want to get involved. They don’t hold on it, they let it go easily.

The trouble is you are you and I am me. That is the first difference between you and I. You do what you like, you say what you like. you have your view, you are entitled to your opinion. That is your human right. There will be different views there will be different of opinion. That is the beauty of it.

Recently in my messages you will find words such as, opportunities, obstacles and obstructions. With these three little words Myanmar is complete. If you and I and many others know that much , I am sure and convinced that the leaders in Myanmar know more than all of US. Whether they are Generals from local schools or a person from Oxford . Please do not forget that especially this Oxford educated one is surrounded by those ex generals who went to local schools.

What are the opportunities, what are the obstacles what are the obstructions? Why did they not take these opportunities, what are the obstacles and what are the obstructions. I don’t know. Only thing I can say is they are not me they are them.

Who are we trying to patronised? We may still face the question, such as how much do we know about Myanmar and its politic? Ma Su Kyi once said “ People have been saying that I know nothing of Burmese politic. The trouble is I know too much “

I will be honest with you Mr O. I do not know that much to say “ I know too much ”.

When US navel base Pearl Harbour in Hawaii was attacked by the Japanese, United States went to Japan and dropped two atomic bombs and annihilated Japan once and for all. Again when twin towers and Pentagon in United States were attacked US declared war on terrorism , went to Afghanistan and Iraq and destruct those countries, including many innocent people lives. But it is still trying to annihilate the terrorism. Do you honestly believe it will be successful in the end? Can you give us the time frame?

When Myanmar was attacked by the terrorists Myanmar can go nowhere, Myanmar can attacked nobody, these terrorists are being given sanctuary, protected. Myanmar is caught in a corner and taking and taking all the bashings. Defending itself let alone to offend anybody. Myanmar does not even go out one step across the border.

On the western front of Myanmar Rohinjas and Bangladeshis coming into Myanmar with tall stories, On eastern front Kayins and others. with fabricated stories, and the media with manufactured reports.

Alright. the military in Myanmar as you have acknowledged as, “ I do think that they are TRYING to do their best but not their BEST. Many obstacles and many internal
problems/external destruction, we are aware”

True when you said, “ but still there are many things could have done better especially in making people lives easy.” Don’t we know that?

To make people lives easy doesn’t depends only on the military (SPDC). The problem is nobody is trying to understand SPDC and what it is doing and why. Instead they pretend they don’t understand , they don’t want to understand. They call SPDC a dictatorship, and yet they want to dictate SPDC what to do. They want to impose their will on them. To achieve that that impose economic sanctions, knowingly it is wrong it is counter productive.

There are so many economic sanctions impose on so many countries combine with the un necessary wars,. What is the result, recession. In United States and now effecting the world.

You are talking about SPDC to make people lives easy, you must be joking. Please there is no price control in Myanmar . Prices are made by the traders depend on the value of the foreign exchange.

My view to make Myanmars people lives easy, economic sanctions must be lifted, invest in Myanmar, the inflation will come down , exchange rate will be fair and just. That’s the way to make people lives easyin Myanmar Mr O.

Bribery and corruption exit in Myanmar nobody can deny that. Myanmars are born with bribery and corruption . That’s Myanmar way of life, should I say. That why they are Buddhist. To go to Nirvana (Heaven) or not to go to hell they have to bribe somebody. Do you know what I mean?. Pansa Sila is not enough.

Like it or not Mr. O, most Myanmars are ignorant. They don‘t know the law, they don‘t know their rights. Is that all? Clever Myanmars also buy their way out.. You heard about “ Moegar Yey ” or “ bitter rain water“. Everybody in Myanmar are drinking it. That is the reality. You want to blame SPDC, well that is your right.

What did I say? I said people must change. When I said it , people don’t like it. There you are.

We know what is happening in Myanmar. We know who are causing them. We know what to do and how to do. There are obstacles, the obstacles are there, the obstructionist are there inside and outside Myanmar.

If Myanmar is left alone to solve its problems . If you put trust in SPDC. Things will be better sooner than later. SPDC cannot stretch its arms as much as it needs to. To clean Myanmars of obstacles and obstructionists. They are hiding under the carpet of democracy and human rights.

Do you know why, United States and United Kingdom by pass the United Nation and went into Iraq. They were by passing the obstacles and obstructions. Of course there are consequences. Cause and effects, actions and reaction they are always there, Buddha or Isaac Newton had told us, we know.

SPDC may not be the best but it is the only one we have I w ant SPDC to act like Thajarmin (King of Deva) Koung Thu Go Ke - Makoung Thu Go Pe ” strike them with thunderbolts. Then only Myanmar will be what you want

Many people have too many negative views on SPDC. It would be very helpful if they reduced them . They should also minimise telling tall stories, and for the world media, they shout stop fabricated or manufactured news. The Myanmar will be fine.

I would like the international community to help SPDC and give free hands to SPDC just another five years. to clean Myanmar once and for all without any interference.
Then thy will be done Mr. O

Regards

Thunderbolts.
 
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Re:for those who want to read 6 Months ago Karma: -5  
interesting!! my mood is alarming? many were amazed by my mood under extreme pressure so I am surprised when you said that!! well like you said, I am me and you are you, you can say whatever you want!!! you know the main reason why I am here alone is " I speak my mind and I only value "integrity". that putting aside, I just want to make only one point, making lives easy isnt that difficult sir, it isnt entirly dependent on sanctions. I am talking about collective behaviour and attitude, as well as certain perks for certain things. anyway, thats for now. posting this was just to reply the request made to me by someone thats all. do not be alarmed.
 
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Re:for those who want to read 6 Months ago Karma: 1  
(1) Do you think our military is right in every thing?

Of cause, NO. nobody thinks that what military is doing is right. That’s why we had lived 8888. However I think that there is much deeper strategy than democracy and human rights in our country.
We can not throw back the military dominant politics behind the barracks over night. There are so many basic things we need to construct in the first place – and without military participation we can not do anything in our country. The problem is how we have to build this confidence building between the military and civil ( or more precisely so call opposition)?

The government media is not giving us the reliable info, the same for the pro-opposition media.
In term of people suffering or military’s violence over opposition, the pro opposition media give us a big amount of info however these are much more emotional (sometimes too much exergrated) than its objectiveness of the facts. Yes both sides justify their actions by all means.

(2) Do you think the way they (military) are handling our problems is correct?

No, of cause. But the question is how we should read their bad handling in order to transform into our advantages especially for the people of Myanmar? Cause and effects!
In my point of view, the opposition should avoid unnecessary provocations too. This will also help strengthening for the building of trust between both sides.

(3) Do you think accusations of some outrageous bribery and power abuse are unproven?

As far as I know, abuse of power and corruption are everywhere even in long time democracy countries. The good education is the best weapon to reduce the corruption and abuse of power in the long term. However I agree with you that the military government should move more than the present situation in that domain. I think if the opposition have taken the power after 90, they could not have reduced the corruption problems and abuse of power either. Everybody is corrupted in Myanmar otherwise we can not live.

(4) Do you think THIS IS THE time that we all need to do better to make our country and people better?

All I want is an agreement will be achieved between the military and opposition for the betterment of our country. Both sides see each other in the more reasonable and responsible way and make it work for the country.

As you mentioned, I want a balanced point of view to achieve the change we all wish so much. However I do not get this balanced vision neither in the government media nor in the pro democracy media, that’s why I am here to express my views as a ordinary citizen of Myanmar. Hopefully the people from both sides will understand.


BR
 
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Re:for those who want to read 6 Months ago Karma: -2  
Dear Mr.O & MHK,

If the leaders in Myanmar, especially from the opposition side stop talking nonsense using political catch phrases and catch words and put the full efforts in , any help, if they can work hand in hand with SPDC , what shall I say in Myanmar , “ thay pyaw bar bi” , I am ready and happy to die.

For some Myanmars and for NLD and its followers getting rid of SPDC has become priority The welfare of the people is where in what position I don’t know. Political catch word such as “ in the interest of the nation ”, I don’t buy it.
The fact remain the same as 20 years ago, nobody can get rid of nobody.

Well said MHK , well said. You had made many valid points which I agree. You answered all four questions directly not only from your perspective. But that is how it should be in Myanmar. Anne Lenex said “ sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree ?”

The understanding, right interpretation , right translation of what is happening in Myanmar is paramount. If one does not understand, one does not know what others are talking about.

But I have some doubts over SPDC and NLD working hand in hand, because in my view the gap between SPDC and NLD has become a conflict which has nothing to do with the policies or plans or programmes to build Myanmar to be modern developed nation.

Politic in Myanmar is rather a personnel conflict. or the conflict between SPDC headed by Sr. Gen Than Shwe and NLD headed by Ma Su Kyi. The ex military personnels behind Ma Su Kyi have had their grudges against the late U Ne Win as well. For putting her under house arrest Ma Su Kyi may have grudge against SPDC. But Ma Su Kyi will never understand that. Thank God she did not take her people to mausoleum on that 1989 July , because

If I have to repeat it again , I ‘d say, among many things since Ma Su Kyi attacked U Ne Win, personally. since Ma Su Kyi tried her best to break up Tatmadaw. since she tried to put the wedge between Tatmadaw and U Ne Win, since she made Tatmadaw the enemy of the people. She tried to break the back bone of the nation. Since she called for help to foreign powers.

Many times I ask the questions. did she know what she was saying, did she know what she was doing? When Dr. Maung Maung calmed her down , she snapped at him in front of her husband the late Michael Aris. She embarrassed Dr. Maung Maung in front of a stranger (foreigner) who was fit to be her father. Ma Su Kyi has no respect for anybody including U Lwin, U Khin Maung Kyi, U Tin Oo who are the elders from her own party . No respect for U Nu,or U Aung Gyi either. That was once upon time you may say.

She is the one who said “ the trouble is I know too much ”. Did she? After 20 years continuously living in the country she may know a little more than what she knew in 1988., but her knowledge of Myanmar still be limited.
I am not forgetting that she will be fed with news and information by her followers about Myanmar and SPDC, how much truth are there will be the question.

What the late Sr. General Saw Maung said made nothing more clearer. He referred to Ma Su Kyi and said, “ regarding that young woman, leaking of state secrets is not permissible any way . This young women cannot be a leader of this country”.

Which means if and if she had become the head of States in Myanmar , the nation will not be safe, she will have the access to state secrets and could pass on to enemies. To make it more clearer, she is totally westward one who wants to break Myanma Tatmadaw into pieces. For her point of view, and I her own way, the enemy ( Tatmadaw ) must be annihilated. These are only a few facts.

U Ne Win has gone, U Maung Maung has gone , U Saw Maung has gone, if Sr, Gen Than Shwe is gone will she be able to work with the rest? I doubt it.
Confidence building, trust, you name it . In Myanmar “ Muu Lo Toung Shu Zayar Mashi Buu” between SPDC and NLD.

Let Sr. Gen Than Shwe retire, let Ma Su Kyi steps aside. Even when U Ne Win retired nobody left him alone instead accusing him of still pulling the strings. Ma Su Kyi should let the young ones from NLD and from SPDC work together freely. She should adviced if necessary by not trying to pull any strings , then that may be a possibility. I said, “ may be a possibility ”, because the old ones find very hard to change their old habits, that includes Ma Su Kyi. The saying is “ its hard to change a tradition ”.

I rember in 1988 when some people approached her to get involved, at first she refused or hasitated.Then she jumped on. Who would let go this great opportunity escily.

" The day might come when my country will need me as it had needed my father ". Such a lovely words spelled out by her late husband Mr. Aris.

There are a lot of Myanmars living in England ,oin Oxford. who saw her riding a bicycle. Who knows her in and out. Whatever Ma Su Kyi said on the political stage. They have no reasons to repeat what she said or what she did not say.

Some people are saying that Ma Su Kyi is sacrificing herself for Myanmar. How could they say that, I will never understand. Did they say that because she did not go back to England or did not go to see her dying husband or did not attened his funeral?

What I am seeing very clearing is that she is not sacrificing anything. As a matter of fact , she is victimising all the people of Myanmars, She is selfish, self styled. Are there any more words in the dictionary to describe her more than that?

Everybody here in this forum, or those who are outside Myanmar. Is it right or fair to say we are sacrificing ourselves for Myanmar. We are here with out own reasons. Why should we fool ourselves by foolong others?

That is one of the reasons why Myanmar is in this stage.

Is that all? No, what about those outsiders who have influences who are pulling strings? NLD is well known as a puppet of the west. Can they leave Myanmars alone? How can NLD change its image? Can the outsiders leave NLD alone for the sake of Myanmars? They should accept Myanmar as Myanmar, it is neither Europe nor US. America.

Can they normalise their commercial business with Myanmar for economic progress, for economic developments which will definitely bring genuine political change in Myanmar. When Myanmars are calm. With cool heads they can think better or are they too late. What is the reason for them to put Myanmar into destruction? Is it because SPDC is going the right way?.

They know very well by now, economic sanctions are counter productive. Today there is a real threat of recession in US and Europe. Of course they may have some remedies for short term but for the long term so many economic sanctions on so many nations nation is suicidal. Because these sanctions can also be interpreted as “Protectionism ”.

Do we want peace and harmony , prosperity, progress and developments in out country. Remember what Ko Aung San had said . We have to do it our selves. Or do we have to wait for somebody’s permission to do it or let others do it for us.

Don’t forget we Myanmars belongs to a master race, with master mentality. We are equel to anybody. We are human beings.

Thunderbolts.
 
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