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Dear U Kmyaing, dear Patriots, Citizens, ladies and gentlemen and friends,
Buddha was a peaceful person he preached for peace. Jesus Christ was also a peaceful man and he preached for peace. There were eight attempts made on Buddha to embarrass Him or even to kill Him But they actually done it to Jesus Christ.
Blessed are the peace makers.
If you ask me from where the chicken came, I don’t know from the egg or from the chicken? If you ask me from where human came ? I have to give you a simple , honest and straight answer,“ I am sorry U KMyaing, I simple don’t know. Chicken are here before me, human are here before me. All I know is we are here now.”
In the case of Myanmar. I don’t know from where they came. They are right here in Myanmar long before me. Myanmar’s problems are here in Myanmar long before I came.
Who was pointing fingers at whom, I don’t know , they were pointing their fingers at each other long before me.
Seriously, Myanmar problems and to solve them depends solely on Myanmars. The problem is not confined to SPDC and NLD u Than Shwe and Ma Su Kyi. Let us suppose that the problems between U Than Shwe (SPDC) and Ma Su Kyi(NLD) were solved, we can not expect the problems of Myanmar will be solved altogether. That must be a wishful thing. Because problems in Myanmar are long before U Than Shwe , long before Ma Su Kyi. If U Than Shwe is a problem for Myanmar then Ma SU Kyi is no difference.
I would like to make this short to the point. But its difficult for me. There is only one thing I would like to suggest, which is all Myanmars regardless of race, colour and creed. All Myanmars must forget the past. If possible they must wipe out the past from their brain and mind totally. Can they do that?
The attitude of all Myanmars, the behaviour of all Myanmars t words another Myanmars must changed if Myanmars wants to change Myanmar peacefully. Can they do that?
Years ago, in the old forum I have given similar suggestion such as Myanmars must change to change Myanmar. One people in one country, etc. In that regard I even gave United States of America as a good example, from the positive sides. .
If Myanmars are changed, international community will change its attitude and behaviours towards Myanmar automatically. Even though I very much would like to see international community attitude and behaviours towards Myanmar changed first, they might like to say that they have seen no change in SPDC, no change in NLD and so on. I say this, because at the moment SPDC and NLD , their aim is towards democracy, they are laying down firm foundation for democracy. International community is not helping at all, if there is help it is a one sided help. Who has to change first, Myanmars or international community? Can Myanmar do that or can IC do that?
Myanmar today is like a pray, and the Anaconda. The more the prey moves, the more the Anaconda squeezes. In other word. “ Hlote Lay - Myote Lay “. The malicious attacks on SPDC (Tatmadaw ) are out of proportion. One is forced to believe it is two birds with one stone. Breaking Tatmadaw is breaking Myanmar . That is what Myanmar wants, annihilate Tatmadaw, smash Myanma Tatmadaw with the help[ of outside forces in the name of democracy. As some Myanmars are in the same plot, it is fair to say Myanmar do not think about the consequences. “ Noung Khar Lar Noung Zay , that is Myanmar attitude. OK let’s forget it for a while.
I said all Myanmars should forget the past wipe it out from the head. Let us start again. I used to say, “ Mhar Mhar Mhan Mhan Doe Naing Gan - Kho Kho Soe Soe Doe Luu Myo. Right or wrong those are our people. Right or wrong this is out country.
Let us honoured those leaders in the past for they have done their best for the nation for the people under circumstances. But nobody had a chance to do what he/she wanted to do or how he she wanted to do. Because there were always somebody, somewhere poking his/her nose in Myanmar’s affairs, directly or indirectly dictating our leaders, telling them what to do making our leaders nervous.
U Kmyaing you have been oinnthe forum long enough. in my discussion you will come across my suggestion for Myanmar to start from year Zero. I don‘t mean “ Thet Krit Phyo ” demolition of era. Definitely not the same as Pol Pot’s year zero. If you know what I mean?
Let me make it clear by saying in Myanmar, “ Luu Thit, (new man) Seit Thit( new spirit), Ahtway AhkhawThit ( new philosophies /ideas), Nee Thit ( new means) and Lan Thit( new ways).
Are we ready for that? I ask this question, because we were not ready for democracy and that the truth. Remember Mahatama Ghandi had doubt whether his people were ready or not for independence from British? We Myanmars did not admit that we were not ready, but we were very quick to put the blames on the U Ne Win.
All we Myanmars do is moaning and groaning. Like Bogyoke had said rightly. we Myannar were hoping Paday Thar Bins will come out of the earth or we Myanmars were expecting our leaders will bring Paday Thar Bins to their door steps.
True U KMyaing true. Than Shwe may come Than Shwe may go. Ma Su Kyi may come Ma Su Kyi may go, but Almighty Myanmar will be here. You refer to Ayeyawaddy River. DO you know how shallow it is becoming U Kmyaing. Do you? Myanmar may be mighty, but for how long? That is what we need to talk about, that is what we are trying to talk isn’t it?
Do you think 1947 constitution will guarantee Myanmar as a mighty. Myanmar? This 1947 constitution is the cause of all the problems , base of all the problems yet some people are afraid Myanmar will be mighty Myanmar.
I am not very good at theories U Kmyaing I am a practical man. I know it would be best that theories and practical go together.
If you must know, in Myanmar, Bamars are the majority. They are everywhere all over Myanmar. You know why. Greener pasture U Kmyaing greener pastures.
Put the Myanmar map on the table and look at it carefully. By nature Myanmar is surrounded by mountain ranges, forests etc. etc. Where are the so called natural resources? They aren there on the mountain, underneath the mountain, in the forest, under the ground. Bamars are where Myanmars are, they all are at the places where natural resources are. Looking for greener pastures. They went there in peace like the European went over to Americas. But Bamrs never tried to wipe put any national race like they did in Americas by the Europeans.
Remember “ Myanmar Da Jutt - Shan Da Jutt ”?
According to 1947 constitution Myanmars will have never had Da Jutt. Nor even Ta Muu. Where are the Bamars you tell me. Yangon. Mandalay. Old Bagan, Dagoung
Shwe Bo?
Though Bamars are the peaceful people they are being accuse of Domination. Domination of Bamars on other Myanmar races. What a load of rubbish. That is how I see. I don’t drag in democracy into it yet.
When Burma was about to be granted independence. British started talking about hilly regions for hill people only, they tried to separate the hilly regions from Burma. The British knew very well when they took a part of Burma in 1824, another part in 18 --and the last part in 1885, what Burma consisted of. They even drew demarcation lines between Siam and Burma. Burma and India. Assem, Manipure. Remember that?
To make the story short Bogyoke Aung San and his managed to take Burma as Union of Burma and 1947 constitution was introduced influenced by the British.. Naturally there were some people who were not in favour or in favour of that constitution.
Nevertheless this constitution did not solved the problem, this constitution was the problem. When he was in exile powerless U Nu even tried as a last resort, to grant states governments, self administration or self governing semi federal state you may call it, but just don’t break away from the Union, to stay in the Union. The result was among many reasons U Nu had to exile in India in simple language he had to run away again from the Kayins (KNU) and others in the jungle. T Cliff and other, were with him. Bo Letya wasa killed by the Kayins I believe.
Again. Bamars a s majority had nothing. They will be under seige Bamar don’t even have enough fields to grow rice. “ Kyar Thanar Mha - Nwar CHenThar “ Bamar majority will be at the mercy of ethnic races who have all the natural resources including rice fields.
If my memories serve me right , I remember Mr. Jinnah of Pakistan said to Nerhu of India where there is Muslim majority, that is Pakistan, where there is Hindu Majority that is India. In the end All India was divide into three parts as India and West Pakistan and East Pakistan which now called Bangladesh.
Do you know how many Pakistanis or Indians(Hindus) died in that conflict? I don‘t know that‘s why I am asking you. And now India and Pakistan still in confrontation with weapon of mass destruction on each side.
My point is where there is Bamar majority that is Bamar’s and where there is Kayin majority that is Kayin’s, Shan‘s etc. etc. Is that what it means by democracy?
Do Bamars have to starve to death? Myanmar history did not tell us all the things we like to know. It only tell us the rulers made all people in Myanmars as one people and the land became the land of Myanmars. The armies they had consisted of all people from all races in Myanmar on either side. There were Bamars serving in Talaing Tatmadaw,under Talaing ruler and there were Talaings serving in Bama Tatmadaw
Under Bamar King.
Soit is obvious that there were no race issues in Myanmar until the British came over and took Burma and sowed the seed of race hatred in the mind of every race in Myanmar, through religion. British recruit Myanmar hill people into their army, but Bamars were not fit to serve in the British Burma army .
Whoever was the ruler in the past or at present. Myanmar problems are the same. They have never been solved, no leaders ever been able to solve these problems. Ithese problems are nothing to do with Ko Aung San , or U Nu, or U Ne Win or U Than She. Forgive me if I have forgotten to mentioned some peoples’ names.
The ethnic groups who entered legal fold are alright. They have been taken part in the National Convention, they were active partners id laying down the basic principles for the New Constitution.
I am sure U Kmyaing you were following the national convention. And you know who were taken pert in that convention. But if you chose to believe, that those were hand picked by the SPDC, that I can’t help. You have your own mind. What can I say?
As I have said many times before. There were those who did not take part in Panglong Convention or drafting of 1947 constitution. This time the same, there were those who not only take part, but also withdrew themselves from the convention.
You are right here again when you said,” All these actors, big and small are part of the solution to our national problem.” But they chose to be parts of the problem, not to take part in solving the problem, because they don’t get their way.
What some people never try to understand let alone to accept is that SPDC is a guardian. SPDC or Myanmar Tatmdaw consists of all people from all races in Myanar. It is a neutral between all races in Myanmar since 1948. Whatever Tatmadaw said about the real situation of Myanmar. if some people are saying that Tatmadaw or U NU or U Ne Win or U Saw Maung or U Than Shwe are telling tall stories. Tear U Kmyaing, dear Patriots, Citizens, ladies and gentlemen and friends,
Buddha was a peaceful person he preached for peace. Jesus Christ was also a peaceful man and he preached for peace. There were eight attempts made on Buddha to embarrass Him or even to kill Him But they actually done it to Jesus Christ.
Blessed are the peace makers.
If you ask me from where the chicken came, I don’t know from the egg or from the chicken? If you ask me from where human came ? I have to give you a simple , honest and straight answer,“ I am sorry U KMyaing, I simple don’t know. Chicken are here before me, human are here before me. All I know is we are here now.”
In the case of Myanmar. I don’t know from where they came. They are right here in Myanmar long before me. Myanmar’s problems are here in Myanmar long before I came.
Who was pointing fingers at whom, I don’t know , they were pointing their fingers at each other long before me.
Seriously, Myanmar problems and to solve them depends solely on Myanmars. The problem is not confined to SPDC and NLD u Than Shwe and Ma Su Kyi. Let us suppose that the problems between U Than Shwe (SPDC) and Ma Su Kyi(NLD) were solved, we can not expect the problems of Myanmar will be solved altogether. That must be a wishful thing. Because problems in Myanmar are long before U Than Shwe , long before Ma Su Kyi. If U Than Shwe is a problem for Myanmar then Ma SU Kyi is no difference.
I would like to make this short to the point. But its difficult for me. There is only one thing I would like to suggest, which is all Myanmars regardless of race, colour and creed. All Myanmars must forget the past. If possible they must wipe out the past from their brain and mind totally. Can they do that?
The attitude of all Myanmars, the behaviour of all Myanmars t words another Myanmars must changed if Myanmars wants to change Myanmar peacefully. Can they do that?
Years ago, in the old forum I have given similar suggestion such as Myanmars must change to change Myanmar. One people in one country, etc. In that regard I even gave United States of America as a good example, from the positive sides. .
If Myanmars are changed, international community will change its attitude and behaviours towards Myanmar automatically. Even though I very much would like to see international community attitude and behaviours towards Myanmar changed first, they might like to say that they have seen no change in SPDC, no change in NLD and so on. I say this, because at the moment SPDC and NLD , their aim is towards democracy, they are laying down firm foundation for democracy. International community is not helping at all, if there is help it is a one sided help. Who has to change first, Myanmars or international community? Can Myanmar do that or can IC do that?
Myanmar today is like a pray, and the Anaconda. The more the prey moves, the more the Anaconda squeezes. In other word. “ Hlote Lay - Myote Lay “. The malicious attacks on SPDC (Tatmadaw ) are out of proportion. One is forced to believe it is two birds with one stone. Breaking Tatmadaw is breaking Myanmar . That is what Myanmar wants, annihilate Tatmadaw, smash Myanma Tatmadaw with the help[ of outside forces in the name of democracy. As some Myanmars are in the same plot, it is fair to say Myanmar do not think about the consequences. “ Noung Khar Lar Noung Zay , that is Myanmar attitude. OK let’s forget it for a while.
I said all Myanmars should forget the past wipe it out from the head. Let us start again. I used to say, “ Mhar Mhar Mhan Mhan Doe Naing Gan - Kho Kho Soe Soe Doe Luu Myo. Right or wrong those are our people. Right or wrong this is out country.
Let us honoured those leaders in the past for they have done their best for the nation for the people under circumstances. But nobody had a chance to do what he/she wanted to do or how he she wanted to do. Because there were always somebody, somewhere poking his/her nose in Myanmar’s affairs, directly or indirectly dictating our leaders, telling them what to do making our leaders nervous.
U Kmyaing you have been oinnthe forum long enough. in my discussion you will come across my suggestion for Myanmar to start from year Zero. I don‘t mean “ Thet Krit Phyo ” demolition of era. Definitely not the same as Pol Pot’s year zero. If you know what I mean?
Let me make it clear by saying in Myanmar, “ Luu Thit, (new man) Seit Thit( new spirit), Ahtway AhkhawThit ( new philosophies /ideas), Nee Thit ( new means) and Lan Thit( new ways).
Are we ready for that? I ask this question, because we were not ready for democracy and that the truth. Remember Mahatama Ghandi had doubt whether his people were ready or not for independence from British? We Myanmars did not admit that we were not ready, but we were very quick to put the blames on the U Ne Win.
All we Myanmars do is moaning and groaning. Like Bogyoke had said rightly. we Myannar were hoping Paday Thar Bins will come out of the earth or we Myanmars were expecting our leaders will bring Paday Thar Bins to their door steps.
True U KMyaing true. Than Shwe may come Than Shwe may go. Ma Su Kyi may come Ma Su Kyi may go, but Almighty Myanmar will be here. You refer to Ayeyawaddy River. DO you know how shallow it is becoming U Kmyaing. Do you? Myanmar may be mighty, but for how long? That is what we need to talk about, that is what we are trying to talk isn’t it?
Do you think 1947 constitution will guarantee Myanmar as a mighty. Myanmar? This 1947 constitution is the cause of all the problems , base of all the problems yet some people are afraid Myanmar will be mighty Myanmar.
I am not very good at theories U Kmyaing I am a practical man. I know it would be best that theories and practical go together.
If you must know, in Myanmar, Bamars are the majority. They are everywhere all over Myanmar. You know why. Greener pasture U Kmyaing greener pastures.
Put the Myanmar map on the table and look at it carefully. By nature Myanmar is surrounded by mountain ranges, forests etc. etc. Where are the so called natural resources? They aren there on the mountain, underneath the mountain, in the forest, under the ground. Bamars are where Myanmars are, they all are at the places where natural resources are. Looking for greener pastures. They went there in peace like the European went over to Americas. But Bamrs never tried to wipe put any national race like they did in Americas by the Europeans.
Remember “ Myanmar Da Jutt - Shan Da Jutt ”?
According to 1947 constitution Myanmars will have never had Da Jutt. Nor even Ta Muu. Where are the Bamars you tell me. Yangon. Mandalay. Old Bagan, Dagoung
Shwe Bo?
Though Bamars are the peaceful people they are being accuse of Domination. Domination of Bamars on other Myanmar races. What a load of rubbish. That is how I see. I don’t drag in democracy into it yet.
When Burma was about to be granted independence. British started talking about hilly regions for hill people only, they tried to separate the hilly regions from Burma. The British knew very well when they took a part of Burma in 1824, another part in 18 --and the last part in 1885, what Burma consisted of. They even drew demarcation lines between Siam and Burma. Burma and India. Assem, Manipure. Remember that?
To make the story short Bogyoke Aung San and his managed to take Burma as Union of Burma and 1947 constitution was introduced influenced by the British.. Naturally there were some people who were not in favour or in favour of that constitution.
Nevertheless this constitution did not solved the problem, this constitution was the problem. When he was in exile powerless U Nu even tried as a last resort, to grant states governments, self administration or self governing semi federal state you may call it, but just don’t break away from the Union, to stay in the Union. The result was among many reasons U Nu had to exile in India in simple language he had to run away again from the Kayins (KNU) and others in the jungle. T Cliff and other, were with him. Bo Letya wasa killed by the Kayins I believe.
Again. Bamars a s majority had nothing. They will be under seige Bamar don’t even have enough fields to grow rice. “ Kyar Thanar Mha - Nwar CHenThar “ Bamar majority will be at the mercy of ethnic races who have all the natural resources including rice fields.
If my memories serve me right , I remember Mr. Jinnah of Pakistan said to Nerhu of India where there is Muslim majority, that is Pakistan, where there is Hindu Majority that is India. In the end All India was divide into three parts as India and West Pakistan and East Pakistan which now called Bangladesh.
Do you know how many Pakistanis or Indians(Hindus) died in that conflict? I don‘t know that‘s why I am asking you. And now India and Pakistan still in confrontation with weapon of mass destruction on each side.
My point is where there is Bamar majority that is Bamar’s and where there is Kayin majority that is Kayin’s, Shan‘s etc. etc. Is that what it means by democracy?
Do Bamars have to starve to death? Myanmar history did not tell us all the things we like to know. It only tell us the rulers made all people in Myanmars as one people and the land became the land of Myanmars. The armies they had consisted of all people from all races in Myanmar on either side. There were Bamars serving in Talaing Tatmadaw,under Talaing ruler and there were Talaings serving in Bama Tatmadaw
Under Bamar King.
Soit is obvious that there were no race issues in Myanmar until the British came over and took Burma and sowed the seed of race hatred in the mind of every race in Myanmar, through religion. British recruit Myanmar hill people into their army, but Bamars were not fit to serve in the British Burma army .
Whoever was the ruler in the past or at present. Myanmar problems are the same. They have never been solved, no leaders ever been able to solve these problems. Ithese problems are nothing to do with Ko Aung San , or U Nu, or U Ne Win or U Than She. Forgive me if I have forgotten to mentioned some peoples’ names.
The ethnic groups who entered legal fold are alright. They have been taken part in the National Convention, they were active partners id laying down the basic principles for the New Constitution.
I am sure U Kmyaing you were following the national convention. And you know who were taken pert in that convention. But if you chose to believe, that those were hand picked by the SPDC, that I can’t help. You have your own mind. What can I say?
As I have said many times before. There were those who did not take part in Panglong Convention or drafting of 1947 constitution. This time the same, there were those who not only take part, but also withdrew themselves from the convention.
You are right here again when you said,” All these actors, big and small are part of the solution to our national problem.” But they chose to be parts of the problem, not to take part in solving the problem, because they don’t get their way.
What some people never try to understand let alone to accept is that SPDC is a guardian. SPDC or Myanmar Tatmdaw consists of all people from all races in Myanar. It is a neutral between all races in Myanmar since 1948. Whatever Tatmadaw said about the real situation of Myanmar. if some people are saying that Tatmadaw or U NU or U Ne Win or U Saw Maung or U Than Shwe are telling tall stories. There is nothing any one can do.
Only if that some one study the history of Myanmar thoroughly, without bias without the tinted glass, that somebody will find the truth. Even then if he/she doesn’t accept it, there is absolutely nothing anybody can do really. Back to square one. It all depends how one look at it, how one sees it , how one accepts it.
The” responsibility” is a big word always use by the big people or those who wants to be seen as Mr Big, How will we define this word “ responsibility ”. What must one do we do to be recognized as a responsible person to be accepted as a responsible person?
Is this “ responsibility” confine only to the rulers or if we are talking about Myanmar, are the 52 million people have no responsibility at all “. They are bound by nothing?
The words such as “ rulers and the ruled “, will always be there, We will be lucky there will be no class system. To say ruling class. U Ne Win once tried to abolished the ruling class. He tried to introduced a system where all people from all walks of life are rulers in every level. Myanmar rejected that. Now “ rulers and ruled “ come back. Rulers are rulers riled are ruled is that it?
Before Myanmar became independent Myanmar politicians were known as leftists, most of them were socialists. They were times one could not differentiate between a socialist and a communist, only when Communist like Ko Than Tun and Ko Soe Gyi went under, socialist stayed behind over ground. May be that was the really Myanmar was shunned by the west, because they also could not make up their mind whether Myanmars were socialists or communist.
When Myanmar was under the so called the rulers who could be called “ Yay Myei Thanin Pyi Shin Min.” Pyi Shin Min ( ruler ) stayed inside his fort like Palaces with his ministers and generals and the people (ruled ) lived outside, no problems, everything was fine. Only when somebody who had a big idea and who dared to win the throne , here came trouble. Yet when foreign invaders came the ruler and the ruled came to understanding and repelled the invaders whether they were from inside Myanmarbor from outside Myanmar. When there was rebellion. Myanmars over came.
Whether that was a good system or a bad one I am not sure. But most of the time it worked. With that understand between the ruler and the ruled , Myanmar had conquered many lands, won many wars , under , “ Ta Thwey Ta Than Ta Maint ” Myanmars could even be called expansionist, imperialists, colonialists. Here I use the word “ Myanmars” because in the armies of the old ruler there never was only one national race or ethnic race. Even some European were serving on both sides.
Myanmars had managed to establish three Naing Gan Daws. Ko Aung San establish the fourth, at the beginning of he had to leave us, unfortunately. Now what SPDC doing is trying to hold it intact as Ko Aung San must have wanted. The late U Ne Win also tried to materialised the dreams of Ko Aung San, establish Myanmar as socialist country.
Never mind all these, the main thing is can we forget the past and start again together? For peaceful change? Is there anybody who does not want peace?
Thunderbolts.
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