MokeHimKha,

When you ask " how can we bring change to Myanmar in peaceful way". I just can't stay away.

Suddenly I remember John McKenroe, who is one of the world tennis champions. What he said comes into my head.
He had said to the empire, " you can't be serious, man ".

Are you serious MokeHimKha? You have a valid point here.

To have peace is very easy and very simple. Not only in Myanmar in the whole wide world my dear MHK. But who want peace and peaceful change?

If you want to have peaceful change in Myanmar, you got to start in the middle east and other parts of the world. You cannot start in Myanmar. Are you surprise? Don’t you believe it?

Let me explain, yopu are not alone.Thare are many who wants to see peaceful change in Myanmar.

Whatever is happening in Myanmar, the problems in Myanmar, they did not start in Myanmar, they are importedinto Myanmar. Myanmar already had its own problems, lomg way back as far as we can go. There never was a period in Myanmar where there was no foreign involved. Remember Portugees in and around 1600 during the reign of Anaut- Phet- Lun Min. It is a virus, it is a contagious disease. There is no cure. Lucky we Myanmars are human beings. If only we were the animals, surly we would be put down by saying it has to be cruel to be kind. We Myanmars are carrying the disease with us for centuries.

That is it, we were not put down, those who brought the disease and virus were not put down. You can go back to the Myanma Thamaing or history. Nobody was put down. Myanmar saying is, “ Pyi Da Dway Pyi Ba Zay - Noung Go M Phyit Say Ne ”. Are you following this far sir?

I have to mention “ The British” here. Because whe we talk about Myanmar the British is like Bago Sar ( salt) they have to be mentioned. They are the one who imported the virus and the disease I am talking about. Now again the British are w leading shall we say in putting pressures on Myanmar to change. Which in my view to change the regime (SPDC). That is the only changes they are after in Myanmar, I don’t think they are for any other changes.

Let me come back to this “ putting down “ business. The British in their own country or while governing other countries., they make sure they put down anyone
Who defied them who revolt against them in their own country as well as in other countries they governed, for lessons and for examples they said. Please check their history yourself, there are the whole list of these so called lessons and examples..

That “ put down Myanmar were very reluctant to do. Myanmar might kill in anger, but never in cold blood. Within 60 years , how many of Myanmars been
Killed or executed in cold blood?

As I have said above.“ Pyi Da Dway Pyi Ba Zay - Noung Go Ma Phyit Say Ne ”. Myanmar leaders were and are very merciful , gracious. Most Myanmar leaders were Buddhists, they had their ambition to be Buddha one day, at least to be in the Tar-wa-dain-thar. They did what they did, what they had to do, not more than really necessary. Some times things happened they didn’t even know.

Today there is SPDC, the shrimp, everything is on its head.

If you want to say SPDC is the problem , that won’t be fair. Because the problems of Myanmar are not started by SPDC, they were there in Myanmar long before SPDC was in place. 60 years have passed, there are only a handful of military personal who started their carrier 60 years ago. Let’s face the fact 60 years ago Myanmar’s situation was worse than now.

As the situation better, the only way for Myanmar is progress and developments. Unfortunately somebody doesn’t want to see Myanmar in peace, stability, progress and developments.

Myanmar is not allowed to go forward because Myanmar’s leaders still have
“ Thu Kyun Ma Khan Lo Seit ” they don’t want to be slaves again after all these troubles and problems after becoming, independence, free, sovereign nation . In other word they don’t want to be anybody’s puppet on the strings.

Words such as independence, freedom and sovereign nation have so much meaning for those who fought for independence, freedom and those who establish the sovereign nation.

The trouble is, those who are preaching for independence and freedom are not allowing any one to be free and independent.

If I’d say that Myanmars do not want peace, I must be a mad man What kind of peace? Peace in Buddhism is something. Peace we are talking about is totally something else.

To change Myanmar in peaceful way, can be done only by Myanmars Again following strictly Buddhism which shows that peace can only be attained if you are away from all attachments.

Leaning towards the West, leaning towards the left is the same as attachments. These attachments must be cut off. Buddha spoke of Mizzima Badi Badar, the middle way. no extremism of any kind.

This teachings are very useful in politic, economy and social matters, because Buddhism is known as not the religion but the way of life.

Peace is expensive. peace is costly. As long as there is war in the world, there will be no peace in Myanmar. Whether we accept it or not, we can not separate Myanmar from them world and the world from Myanmar. If there is peace in the world, population will grow, grow and grow, we have no place to live, nothing to eat. There is only one way to reduce the world population. You know what don’t you? Would you like to be endangered species of do you want other to be endangered species. They is not enough room for all. Do you think it is funny, no
It is not a joke that is a fact .

Let me concentrate only on Myanmar. Whether it was because of 1947 continuation or it was because of 1974 constitution, it is because of SPDC or it is because of NLD., there is no peace in Myanmar there can be no peaceful change in Myanmar.

As our elders said , Myanmar are doing simple thing difficult, and simple thing impossible. To test that theory right or wrong ,there is one thing we can do.
We will try and do a simple thing simple and difficult thing easy.

Nearly 52 million people in Myanmar, they must recognise themselves as one people as Myanmar. In the United States of America all man are American citizen. that means they are one people.

United State has US Army, US Navy, US Air Force and US Marines. There are no other armies in the United States of America, there are no other militia or private armies or War Lords in United States of America.. They are all equal in in the eye of the law..

Don’t you want to see all Myanmars are equal, By the way what is equal it is just another word in the dictionary. Is there any quality in the world? Tell me please.

Can we do that, all Myanmar equal? Isn’t that simple enough , isn’t that easy enough? What is impossible? There is nothing impossible, there is only something we haven’t done yet. Then let‘s do it. .

That is the very first step, that is a very serious step. If we can over come that step. next steps are as easy as eating banana.

If you are serious, I am serious as well.

Nice talking to you.

Thunderbolts.

OH yes, I am really serious. I am citizen of Myanmar and only 30. I want to see change come to our country in peaceful way because I want to see our people and country at least enjoy a bit of development our neighbours get now.

When I read your message some lines of Commandant Marcos of Mexico came to my head “ when we see the foreigners come up to our land, we close our eyes and pray. And when we reopen our eyes we see our nation destroyed”.

Much of your sayings are I believe right, but I do not want to be in a nostalgia of colonial period for bad or good things.

However I don’t ignore the fact that while we are wrapped up in tears for our sad destiny, we congratulate our neighbours for their religious feasts of new year day and we pray hard and will continue to pray hard for more merciful leaders in our own countries and abroad. Because we believe or we are taught to believe that world leaders are helping us!!

It is difficult to make happen a change to Myanmar in peaceful way because now the situation is becoming that we are caught up between world’ most powerful US and giant China . But we need to start the process in one or another way we do not have many choices.

The US will always call for unrealisable “all inclusive” to block the situation from progress and China will keep it’s influence on SPDC in order to balance US’s influence in the region

It is like that US will never let our country to open up as long as there is no leadership they wish in place. The same for China, they will try to keep their influence on SPDC to balance power with the US.
Our destiny depends on US and China.

I am nationalist as you mentioned “Thu Kyun Ma Khan Lo Seit”. I want to be free from all powers while maintaining the good relationship with all countries in order to defend our own interests.

I think there is way to bring a change to our country in peaceful way. The only thing is the leadership problem. If our leaders are too egoists than we people can choose our destiny on our won.

Thanks for your message

BR

Hi Mr. Thunderbolt,

Let me approach this problem from the Abhidhamma point of view.

In the Pahtana Abhidhamma, "there is no effect without a cause".

That being said, Myanmar history is like the Mighty River Ayeyarwaddy.

"Men may come and men may go but I go on forever". This is what the Mighty Ayeyarwaddy may be saying, right now.

When we look for a solution to a problem in a particular country, we have to look at all the environments and the particular actors within each environment.

In the inner environment, which is "Inside Our Country" we will always have the rulers and the ruled. So since the present government is the ruler, at this present time, they have what is called "State Power" based on the government structure and the different levels of civilian public service personnel and military and police personnel.

Then we have the people, the oppostition, the ethic groups, the groups who have come into the legal fold etc.

All these actors, big and small are part of the solution to our national problem.

But I feel that whoever is ruling the country has more responsibility for the physical and mental well-being of all the citizens of the country as well as even the animals.

That is why we have in Burmese tradition a saying such as "Ruler of all lands and waters" (Yay Myei Thanin Pyi Shin Min).

I think you will agree with me when I say that this is not the time for all of us to start pointing fingers at each group or individual.

To get to a positive frame of mind, we should all start the process of "inner analysis" and point the finger at ourselves. I mean all of us should do that.

We should each ask a sincere and honest question:

"What did I do wrong. How can I help my country. In what way. When I die, what kind of legacy do I wish to leave behind."

I am posing this question to all citizens, all politicians, all students, all Buddhist monks, everyone and anyone who wishes to bring about a peaceful transition to a brighter future based on justice, loving-kindness, compassion and social justice.

Let us now listen to what other members have to say on this topic.

Km

thunderbolt asked "who want peace and peaceful change?"
and answer "There are many who wants to see peaceful change in Myanmar. " blah blah blah. Jumping and hopping here and there. blaming and pointing the whole world but dictators.
Is he serious? Should see the doctor.

Dear U Kyaw Myaing and MokeHimKha,

Whether change is coming or not, you just have to look at recent pictures of Than Shwe being led off support by 'a-nar-pyas' in Mizzima. A place in hell book ahead of him was another military dictator, Mr Suharto of Indonesia. The only difference will be one would have to go the 'non-pork eating section' and another to the 'pork-eating section' but hell will be hell.

The families that they left behind can bribe the ruler of hell (aweizi-min) with all the loot they have collected by robbing their own fellow citizens I don't think it will help.

If U Kyaw Myaing said that we should look at the issue in terms of Abhidhamma then it will be clear that at Than Shwe's funeral he might not even have the 'funeral rites' performed for him by the monks (most of them are either in jail, overseas or killed on his orders). He'll reap what he sowed.

Unless the mindset of whoever succeeded Than Shwe in the military, there is no way that Burma will have a peaceful transition. If you really believe in the 'cause and effect' ot the Patthana or what's been taught in the Abhidhamma, then wait and see whether the killing among themselves will start, sooner than later. You can bank your money on that.

Hello Thunderbolts,

I have one uncle like you he had served more than 15 years in Burmese army, but he ended his carrier in prison for 5 years.

I have learned so much from him. The way of talking and analysing is the same as you. He still love his country and the burmese army.

But please don't be discouraged by the reality of the facts. I think you can advice us so much.

Ohnmar