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INDEPENDENCE, WHAT INDEPENDENCE HE ASKED. 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: -2  
Dear Patriots ,



January the 4th is the 60th anniversary of Myanmar’s independence day. Sad to here there are a lot of Myanmar youths who does not know the meaning of INDEPENDENCE.
This is especially for those who does not know what Independence is.

May be they know the different meaning or translation or interpretation to that word. For most people independence or freedom means , do what they like, say what they like , no rules , no regulations, no laws, no frames.

In this God created world, God created all creatures great and small, no matter how wild they may be, they have their own common sense, which are the same as rules, regulation, laws and procedures. They are free and independence because they know the dos and the don’t , they know their place.

We are human beings, we consider we are better than wild animals. Is that right?

Most of us know or have some ideas about the background of the Myanmar problems. With this bcak ground Myanmar is stuck. Somebody has to do the dirty job, to be cruel to be kind

Myanmar 1752 AD.

The King of Inwa Maha Dhama RaZar Dipadi (Maung Mhu) couldn’t rule Myanmar. In 1752 January after the fall of Sagaing and Inwa Myanmar was taken over by Mon Talaing. The Myanmar King Maung Mhu and his family and all were captured and taken to Hantharwaddy.

1752 Mon King demanded U Aung Zeya allegiance. Also another Kwe Gonna-ain who rules Mattaya Oatpho demanded Aung Zeya allegiance.

Against his parents advice U Aung Zeya refused cleverly to Mon King and Kwe Gonna-ain. Instead he built his defences.

In May that year, U Aung Zeya revolted against the Mon Talaing King and also repelled 50, 000 Mon Talaings army who tried to invade Moat So bo.

After so many famous battles total of 12 between Myanmar and Mon Talaing, in 1754 January U Aung Zeya ( Aloung Paya ) recaptured Inwa. By that time Inwa King Maung Mhu and family were already executed by Mon in Hantharwaddy.

Aloung Paya Dynesty started since then and ended at the time of Thibaw in 1885 after 133 years reign. That was a short history how Myanmar became one nation for all people as one in Myanmar.

In 1948 the Kayins who were serving the British Burma army formed an organization called KNDO and staged armed rebelled against the government of Union of Myanmar and even took Insein Town which was only 9 miles outside Yangon and many other towns in the delta region.

On the other hand the Communist who were kicked out of AFPFL took arms and rebelled against the government of Union of Myanmar.

Myanmar had three rulers the same time one ruled by communist, another by the Kayins(KNDO) and the other by AFPFL.. Myanmar was only the capital Yangon..

Myanma Tatmadaw headed by Gen Ne Win not only fought against all the multi coloured insurgents, but also fought against White Chinese of Cheng Kai Shek army out of Myanmar and saved Union of Myanmar.

Again in 1960 Shan and Kayin and some other ethnic group demanded separate states . U Nu had to give in and he was about to, he even said he had no choice because of the constitution of 1947. Because of the threat or the danger of Union disintegration.

Again Myanma Tatmadaw headed by Gen Ne Win had to take over and the New Constitution of 1974 came into force, intention was not to let Union disintegrated., to make Myanmar one country for all people as one.
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Bogyoke Aung San took Myanmar back from British. And all Myanmar leaders made Union of Myanmar and tried to make Myanmar as one country for all people as one.

In 1968 after U Nu went under ground and made a pack with the ethnic insurgents KNU and others and made U Ne Win and the RC their common enemy. Though KNU made pack with U Nu’s Patriot Liberation Fronts, did not give up their idea or their demand for separate Kayin State from Union of Myanmar.

The idea or the seed of this separation of ethnic states from the Union was sowed since British were in Myanmar long before Myanmar gained its Independence.

If Myanmar Tatmadaw did not take over Myanmar, there were times either Kayin Army, or Shan Army or Kachin Army or Chin army would take over Myanmar The same as Mon Talaings or Kwe took over Myanmar in 1752.

From 1824 to 1885, foreign army namely British took over Myanmar.

According to Myanmar history, Myanmar was always under military rule of this person as the head or that person as the head from this ethnic race or from that ethnic race. The head may be but Myanmar are Myanmars and they all served under that leader together. Even on the side of the opposition./rival leader.

The same Myanmar Tatmadaw of the olden days and the Myanma Tatmadaw of present day consisted of all Myanmars from all races in Myanmar in the Myanma Tatmadaw

Only under the British Bamar were not allowed to serve in the British Burma army When Myanmar were revolting the Japanese. British were so very careful about Bamars,They even tried not to issue weapons to Bamars to fight the Japanese. As soon as the WW II ended, Lord Mount Batten asked Ko Aung San to disband his army or disarmed his men..

During the British rule or during the Japanese rule most Myanmars Patriots were fighting against those foreign rulers, whoever they were, with one national spirit for Myanmar to be independent..

As Myanmar history recorded there was no time or era to be called peaceful time in Myanmar. The fighting and troubles are the middle names of Myanmar.

Imagine Myanmar without Myanma Tatmadaw or SPDC who is guarding Myanmar . What will Myanmar from all races be doing. As the past has shown us Myamars will be fighting killing each other in bigger scale.

When Mon Talaing took over Myanmar and when Aloung Paya U Aung Zeya refused their demand for allegiance Mon Talaing King ordered his troops to killed all. Myammars including babies in the cradles. Maung Mhu could not escape the executing he was put to death in the water. And Myanmar killed the Mon as well.

These are the facts for some people to know how fragile Myanmar is. Or why Myanmar is under military rule. We don’t want to go back to the ages of War Lords, do we? Because we are grown ups, we are human we have our common sense, we are more civilised. . Nobody has to hypnotised us and let us bite each other or to eat shit. Nobody has to persuade us with chocolate either, we are no babies. This is twenty first century, 18th or 19th.

If somebody does not know the real meaning of INDEPENDENCE, if somebody does not know the real meaning of FREEDOM, if somebody does not the know the real meaning of PUPPETS on the strings. There is nobody who can make him understand. May be he cannot understand the human language.

Afghanistan government under the military allies led by US. At least 3000 years old civilised were destroyed. Iraqi government supported by US led military forces everything is being destroyed including at least 6000 years old civilizations are destroyed by those who have no civilization and no culture at all.

If you don’t like Myanma Tatmadaw ( Myanma Army ) which army would you like Myanmar to be ruled? Myanmar government under the auspices of which army, would you like to see, may I ask?

Independence , what Independence he asked..

Thunderbolts.
 
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Re:INDEPENDENCE, WHAT INDEPENDENCE HE ASKED. 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: -5  
do not forget who made this guy a king, young and polite so one Wungyi thought he would be able to control to make the nation better!! but LO! he was killed by the guy whom he made a king!!! history repeated again with Thibaw story, who tragic!! It was quite remarkable remark about that Wungyi before he was killed by the order of that Hanthawedi yaunt min!! how tragic he was killed by Mon for his uncontrolled mouth!! remember he believed in astrology, tabaung, nameit etc etc?
is history telling us something? even tho technology change, social structure and power dynamic change but the way how king makers and the source of power dynamic do not seem to change!!! (also the mistakes made by people who engage in power conflicts!!!!)
 
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Re:INDEPENDENCE, WHAT INDEPENDENCE HE ASKED. 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -2  
Dear Mr. O,

Thank you for pointed out some missing points,

I was not trying to write the history absolutely not rewriting the history. Last time you mentioned about Letyarpyanchi. If I want to talk about Khin Oo Zar Nga Chit Nyo, it will become a book itself, oyu know that. I don't blame him either for siding with Mon. I only took him as a survivor. No matter what, Aloung Paya U AUng Zeya had anything he needed including Parami or virtue to become King, to establish Myanmar Naing Gan Daw , not to forget his dynesty. Somebody had to start from somewhere , there must be some cause or good reasons.

If Hantharwaddy Yout Min was not a stupid idiot, Talaing won't be able to take Inwa, let alone Myanmar. We would not know where U Aung Zeya would be either. Cause and effect are always together Mr. O.

History is to study where we went wrong or we went right, to learn and to take lessons and to adjust ourselves at present. History is telling us not only something, it is telling us many things, that is for sure.

Buddhist can not make everyone Buddhist, Jesus could not make everyone Christians, nor Allah cannot make every Mislims, especially by force.

One has to believe in something. One cannot be Yong Wah Wah or Wai Lai Lai all the time. Echoing what other have said or believing in hear say.

I think you and I know what we are talking about. I want others to know as well.

Thanks again,

Thunderbolts.
 
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Re:INDEPENDENCE, WHAT INDEPENDENCE HE ASKED. 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -2  
<br><br>Post edited by: thunderbolts, at: 2008/01/05 14:21
 
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