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Where are the monks? 9 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Lennox Samuels
NEWSWEEK
November 27, 2007
The junta has jailed some of Burma's Buddhist clergy, derobed others and driven many into exile.
The 26-year-old monk was one of thousands who took to Burma's streets in late September. Like so many of them he had never imagined himself an activist—"I'm a normal monk, I'm not a political monk," he says—but he was carried away by the democratic fervor then sweeping Rangoon. On Sept. 25 he returned to his monastery late at night, climbing over the back wall since the front entrance was locked. The next night the soldiers came and took him away.
He was not the only monk to vanish, either from his monastery or dozens of others. The few foreigners who have managed to enter Burma since the junta's crackdown have all noted how empty the country's temples and monasteries seem to be. Thought to number around 400,000, Buddhist monks had been ubiquitous in Rangoon, Mandalay and other Burmese cities for centuries. "Something has happened," says Shari Villarosa, chargé d'affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Rangoon. "It's frightening to think of. It's not like they all willingly left town."
In interviews, diplomats, monks and Burmese activists say that the junta has jailed those monks it sees as ringleaders and has persuaded abbots—some of them already collaborating with the regime—to get rid of dissidents. Many monks have been placed under "monastery arrest," forbidden to leave their campuses, except to collect their daily alms. Others have been forcibly derobed. And some terrified monks have fled to the countryside or to neighboring Thailand and China. "The monasteries in my neighborhood seem empty," says the 26-year-old monk, who was jailed for 19 days. "In my monastery, we used to have 100. Now we're down to about 31. I can feel the silence."
Those few monks visible at the Shwedagon temple in Rangoon, a magnificent, sprawling complex of pagodas anchored by a glittering 2,500-year-old stupa, move around cautiously, mostly alone. In Amarapura, near Mandalay, the number of monks who queue up for lunch each day at the Mahagandayon monastery—a daily ritual once mobbed by tourists—has also declined dramatically. A 27-year-old cleric there says almost 1,000 of the monastery's 1,800 inhabitants fled to their home provinces in September, although he says many have since slipped back.
The 26-year-old Rangoon monk—a tall man with an elegant shaved head and an easy smile—says soldiers treated him roughly in detention but did not beat him, although they did slap around several other monks. For the first 15 days no latrines or bathing facilities were provided. Interrogations were basic: "We were mainly asked, 'Did you participate in the protests? Why? Who is the leading monk in these protests?' " Soldiers then brought in Sangha nayakas—Buddhist officials authorized to convert monks to laypeople. The nayakas refused to recite the appropriate scripture, so the soldiers simply forced the monks to don civilian dress and pronounced them laymen. "I took my vows a long time ago," says the defiant monk, still wearing his prison-issue flip-flops. "I felt angry to be forced to change my clothes, but I was still a monk."
The government concedes that a few monks remain in detention, although it claims to have released all but about 90 of the 3,000 monks and civilians initially jailed. Outside the major cities monks are far more evident. In Sagaing, west of Mandalay, groups of them roam the lush hillside, taking tea and chatting amiably with locals. The mood at the gorgeous Kaunghmudaw pagoda is calm. "Not a surprise," says a tour guide. "Here, they're far from the action, and remember, some abbots work with the government." He mentions the pro-government Kya Khat Waing monastery in Bago, about 50 miles northeast of Rangoon, most of whose monks did not march and whose abbot urged the government to punish those who did.
That some senior monks came out against the protests isn't surprising given the fact that Buddhism eschews politics and violence. Several abbots were uncomfortable with the spectacle of monks shouting political slogans, including calls to free jailed democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi. But like most Burmese, they're equally uncomfortable with the regime's actions. The junta pressured abbots not to allow monks who had marched back into their monasteries. "Of course the abbots refused. Many monks are back here again," says one monk in Amarapura.
The regime may yet pay for its actions if they radicalize a group known for its pacifism. "Yes, they're cowed, yes, they're more terrified than they were before. But they're angry," says Villarosa. Asked what help he'd like from outside powers, a young monk in Mandalay forms a trigger with his finger and makes the sound of a gun being fired. "People have nothing," he says. "They ask the government for help and get nothing. What else can we do?"
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Re:Where are the monks? 9 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dear Patriots.
Where are the monks? Somebody asked.
That is the good question.
The answer to that question is they may have gone back to their right places, into the jungles, and into the forests. They may have gone where they belong.
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They may have already gone to hell.
Buddhist Monks have been living in luxerious life, in luxerious monestries and in luxarious styles for so long, while people hjave nothing. They got all the best from the people.
The people supported the monks with whatever they need to meditate, to learn and spread the teachings of Buddha. They did not support them to go out to cenemas, football match , to go out picnic with the dagars and dagarmas or to demonstrate, to protest a government. Only the ignorant monks, the fake monks the bogus might think they are given a return service to the people.
They forgot what they really are and who they really are gainst the Buddha's teachings. They call themselves sons of Buddha.
It is at the moment who really are the respectable Buddhist monks and who are the fake /bogus monks.
fter they have done some damages to Myanmar and to Sasana a few days ago in Bihar state of India in Veranasi the birth place of Buddha Buddhist monks staged a protest against SPDC.
My question is , have they not done enough damage?
Respect is for respectable people including Buddhist monks. Not every Tom , Dick and Harry who has a bald head and wearing yellow robe are Buddhist.
Myanmar rather have a few respectable monks than too many fake/bogus monks.
Myanmar is not a developed county yet. Some extimated 400, oo Buddhist monks in Myanmar some estimated 800,000. What ever the figure is there are too many mouths to feed , too many shit to collect , too little who are working to survive.
I swear that I have nothing against the real monks. May Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha be my witness.
These monks should not cheat the people, they should not cheat the Sasana, they should not cheat themselves.
Thanks to Ma Su Kyi.
If Sr.Gen Than Shwe is guilty of shooting the minks and will rot in hell, the monks, especiall fake/bogus monks will also rot in hell and they will never come out of it not even when Arithmettia has arrived.
To purify the Buddhism , Buddhist order (Monks) need cleansing.
I think that is enough to answer the question.
Thunderbolts,
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Re:Where are the monks? 9 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dear Patriots.
Where are the monks? Somebody asked.
That is the good question.
The answer to that question is they may have gone back to their right places, into the jungles, and into the forests. They may have gone where they belong.
Or
They may have already gone to hell.
Buddhist Monks have been living in luxerious life, in luxerious monestries and in luxarious styles for so long, while people hjave nothing. They got all the best from the people.
The people supported the monks with whatever they need to meditate, to learn and spread the teachings of Buddha. They did not support them to go out to cenemas, football match , to go out picnic with the dagars and dagarmas or to demonstrate, to protest a government. Only the ignorant monks, the fake monks the bogus might think they are given a return service to the people.
They forgot what they really are and who they really are gainst the Buddha's teachings. They call themselves sons of Buddha.
It is at the moment who really are the respectable Buddhist monks and who are the fake /bogus monks.
fter they have done some damages to Myanmar and to Sasana a few days ago in Bihar state of India in Veranasi the birth place of Buddha Buddhist monks staged a protest against SPDC.
My question is , have they not done enough damage?
Respect is for respectable people including Buddhist monks. Not every Tom , Dick and Harry who has a bald head and wearing yellow robe are Buddhist.
Myanmar rather have a few respectable monks than too many fake/bogus monks.
Myanmar is not a developed county yet. Some extimated 400, oo Buddhist monks in Myanmar some estimated 800,000. What ever the figure is there are too many mouths to feed , too many shit to collect , too little who are working to survive.
I swear that I have nothing against the real monks. May Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha be my witness.
These monks should not cheat the people, they should not cheat the Sasana, they should not cheat themselves.
Thanks to Ma Su Kyi.
If Sr.Gen Than Shwe is guilty of shooting the minks and will rot in hell, the monks, especiall fake/bogus monks will also rot in hell and they will never come out of it not even when Arithmettia has arrived.
To purify the Buddhism , Buddhist order (Monks) need cleansing.
I think that is enough to answer the question.
Thunderbolts,
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