Forgot to mention hundred of thousand disappeared in Indonesia n Malasia under the banner of anti-communist campaign. Human Rights was not that popular then.
Did american military shot some of their students during vietnum war era?
As someone has pointed out that all nations hav their imperfect stories but the problem is when hypocritical propanganda war is set for others but the same rules dont seem to apply to the preacher!perhaps thats whats politics about. Just think US own soldiers complaint about their health after gulfwar was collectively rejected until to the point that they cant affort to ignor anymore. well I think in this world ppl wages the war for various reasons n engaging parties hav their own version of truth. but most died believing their doing something for their religion/nation etc etc but it all originates in a handful of ppl or sometime one person. having said that sometime there r wars fought to preserve the humanity's goodness. but prevention is better than cure.
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Ordinaryman
Member posted June 18, 2002 19:31
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well 55 or so yrs history of subverting n undermining other nations politics here r some facts
(1)Iran, Guatemala, Iraq, Chile,Guyana, Congo CIA run clandestine ops for coup
(2)Cuba bay of pigs disaster invasion plan
(3)Assassination of Patric Lumumba in Congo created 32yrs war of terror by Mobutu
(4)140000 died in Guatemala due to civil war
(5)Invasiion of E/Timor was silently approved n u know whose arms were used
(6)u know what happened to Chile under Pinochet
(7)What happened before Kuwait invasion by Saddam?
(8)For Myanmar u know who supported KMT n still doing to undermine our nation's security
(9)agent caught in 79 near Tachileik why?
(10)Big radar outpost along our eastern boundary
etc etc etc, can we believe that they hav genuine desire for our ppl to enjoy democracy? Is there any act which assures Myanmar ppl that it is not the case? well they accepted quite a few refugees

well, its debatable whether economy especially like US need war or not. But perhaps may I suggest u get the figure n the operatonal methods of some industries then try to collate the facts between them? perhaps trend analysis of some industries as well? when I said second vietnum, I meant in political n military terms(analogy)nature is different but trend is similar. If I may, US shouldnt evn hav to be in Vietnum in a first place, but then US govt decided to back up colonialist French n ignored the Hochimin request, if they didnt vietnum would hv been at least neutral or up to some extent, strategic alliance with US. Yes chinese soldiers died more than US so as in Chinese-Vietnum war.but its beside the point. The point I made is US involvement in world politics is sometime questionable n sometime to the detriment to the wellbeing of US ppl. The only difference is that in US democratic force r strong n they voiced if they disagree with govt action which a lot of other countries dont allow. Hav u ever heard of students in US killed by US military? yes there was. Anyway if u studied warfare in vietnum n afghan u would c what I meant. I once talked to a guy who was a tunnel rat n well there r some aspects seen by servicemen which is different from public's opinion.
for(5) pls compare breeding ground of terrorists n nazism,in a democratic setting. n also psychology of the mass in its social environment in which minority n majority interact.


nice to c positive debate again. If I may, I'd also like to voice my humble view on the agenda u two r engaging.
(1) terrorists r terrorist who use violence n terror as a weapon to terrorise the ppl to achieve what they want, so christian, muslim, race-based seperatists etc can all be terrorists if they fall under that category.
(2)Yes in politics one's hero could be a traitor for another but one has to look at the principle of human coexistance n unwritten code of morality in any given society with reasonable civilisation.
(3)To be frank, I think US economy needs the war at least contained war in some parts of the world in reasonable interval to oil its economic machine. n also I believe that Afghan is more likely to become second vietnum n I dont think that is what they want so they need good reason to shift war on somewhere else. in my view, sadam is an evil no doubt, he'd use a weapon of mass destruction if he had one. so it comes to the my way of looking at, one has to choose lesser evil.
(4)US considered seriously to use atomic bomb in vietnum as one of the radical general suggested but it didnt for the reason not because US govt then had higher morality but because internal politics n external politics. but having said that, democracy n awarness of the mass was(has been) a force in US internal politics,that doesnt exist in most middle east, SAsia,SEAsia countries along with a few others.
(5)n we Myanmar should seriously look at the pre-Hitler era that paced the way for ppl like Hitler n general acquiescene of Nazi by ppl in that time as well as general behaviour n treatment of minority to majority. clear example can be seen nowaday,some close society of migrant in different parts of the world.
(6)Nationalism,patriotism all sound good to the point as most countries promote their territorial integrity n sovereingty under these ism but when it comes to the unbearable point to others, peaceful coexistence become questionable.
(7)War is thought to be the highest form of political mean n it seems so long as we human dont learn how to liv peacefully together with one basic idea of humanity, there always be a war so some can be justified under abovementioned isms.
(8)finally how world politics would effect Myanmar? well I said to a few ppl back in 89 that"do u ppl think business forces in western countries want to do business with unstable or stable political situation." when it comes to own national interests, most preachers suddenly tend to hav myopia.
humbly urs