Dear Nayting,

A BIG NO THANKS to your offer as your project that is NOT PRATICAL, NOT FEASIBLE AND FOR SURE THAT IT WILL NOT BE MATERIALISED.
I have no say on your idea or what you doing but I was surprise to have your offer of your project TO NOWHERE/a project that is still in the air.

If you still want to do it, may I ask, do you have the basic, yes, the very basis knowledge of electricity? Do you know what is AC/DC, what is Alternation, regulator, amp meter? I am not belittle you or anybody but this is some of the most basis thing that you need/have to know before doing anything related to electric industry.

Do you know what type of current produced by the one that you saw on their website?

Do you know what type of electricity you are using in your house?

Before thinking of plugging anything into the plug in your house, please read the following from National Grid otherwise be ready to be sued by the National grid or your neighbor for disturbing their power supply.
http://www.nationalgridus.com/commitment/d3-7_energy.asp

Though we are LDC, actually Myanmar is not that backward. The people in Myanmar are always trying their own ways to solve the shortage of electricity that they are facing daily; must I say Ko To Ko Hta (Self help or self rely)?

We have everything, yet we are LDC. Why??? I think you know why.

I know one village (about 200 households), situated about eight miles off the main road and most of them are using batteries for their lighting but to charge their batteries, first they have to get to the main road and then they have to travel another five miles to get their batteries charged.
Now with the help of one anonymous donor, they can charge their batteries at their own village by using solar energy but due to the cost of solar panel and charger, they managed to charge thirty batteries a day only provided that they have enough sunlight.

Basically, all you need to run SOLAR ENERGY is 1) Solar panels (call Photo voltaic), 2) battery charger, 3) batteries and 4) inverter. No moving parts, no engine or machinery required, no noise and environment friendly of course more technical calculation are needed to install the solar energy such as type and out put of PV and numbers required, battery charger or charge controller, number of batteries needed ( whether serial or parallel) for storage of electricity, type of inverter to run the electricity etc. and not to exclude calculation of sunlight hours.

The initial installation is very costly and most of the people are still struggling for their daily needs.
In Myanmar, most of the solar panels are Chinese made but if you pay more, you can even have Japanese or US made panels (more expensive).
You know, a Norwegian owned company has invested over 6 billion dollars for the biggest plant that make solar panels and will start the production at the end of the year or early next year.

Because to have solar energy is so expensive and to encourage people to use solar energy as alternative, the US Government even give REBATE, TAX EXEPTION AND OTHER INCENTIVES. See http://www.dsireuse.org

BTW Who is Saileik, Mokehinkha? Who are they, what do they know and what can they do? For me, they are just another name in this forum. Oh yeah, I remember a guy who is a supporter of Thunderbolt and said that he always sent his articles BACK TO MYANMAR. How can you can send back to Myanmar if you are already in Myanmar??? STRANGE, isn’t it???

Nayting, I think you stayed near Thein Byu Zay (Ba Lu ma zay) before you moved to London and then went to US. Did you change your religion? Still the same? I still remember about the fun fair nearly two decades ago.


UKM,

I would like to have more information about the project that you mentioned as I cannot browse through the website that you mentioned. You said quote “but also build a primary school, a cyclone shelter and a plant for producing Solar energy. The machinery had to be bought from abroad, of course but it is working and each house has to go to the solar energy generating plant to recharge their light tubes on a daily basis ” unquote.

UKM, is there a plant for producing SOLAR ENERGY? According to the Wiikepedia and what I understand, Solar energy is the radiant Sun that has been harnessed by humans. I don’t see, how a plant can produce solar energy. Did you see the Machinery or the plant that produce solar energy with your own eyes?

The second point is, the villagers go to the solar energy generating plant to recharge their light tubes. Do you mean to say, TO RECHARGE THEIR BATTERIES FOR THEIR LIGHT TUBES?? If it is light tubes, I WONDER, WHERE DO THEY STORE THEIR ELCTRICITY IN THE LIGHT TUBES? Please clarify. Sorry for English, maybe my English is not that good to understand your writing but would be appreciated if you can clarify. You see I am not from MEHS.

Since you have volunteered yourself with SPA/FMI Headquarter on Bogyoke Augn San Road, I am sure that you know a lot of good people including Chairman Mr Surge Pan @U Thein Wai and Managing Director U Kyaw Paing. Can you ask more information from them and publish it on AO so that everybody can understand especially Na La Baing Doon like me since I don’t anyone of them.

At least, I am sure that you can ask a favor from KO BO LAY who is working there.

Looking forward to hear from you with more detail of the project. I will also post more information about solar energy from what I learned and studied.

Truthseeker

Thank you for your interest in this project. In fact I have a DVD of this project. I can send it to you by mail. If you don't wish to give me your real address you can give me a P.O box number of another person.

I have the full report with me so I will scan some photos and put them up on A.O.

I have not seen the solar plant myself but I know it is working well.

I am not an electrical engineer. Only have a B.Sc. from RASU (it was that name when I was there in 1964.)

I know electricity is produced from solar panels but these panels are not from China. They are from another developed country. I don't know which country. I have seen photos of the solar plant and the solar tubes (I'm not sure of the actual technical name. You would know better.)

However for Myanmar, we have to deal with this electricity shortage problem from all fronts. We need the cooperation of the government, donors and ordinary people.

We all know that the problems facing Myanmar are complex and not easy to be solved. They will certainly not be solved overnight. The problems we face are man-made and also made worse by natural disasters like cyclone Nargis. It is so heartening to see a lot of Myanmar people coming together and working with cetana to do what they can for the victims of the cyclone.

I was fortunate enough to be able to visit Middle Island and see the refugee village myself and also talk to the villages there.

More later.

Km

Hi Truthseeker,

I understand the web site experiment produces AC current and converters exist that can convert electricity AC-DC, DC-AC.

I use 110 volt AC here at home. I checked out the National Grid page you sent me about setting up a generator and they warn not connect to the grid.

The reason people generate electricity here is because once in a blue moon the lines fail and some people back up to a fuel powered generator. It happened last year when there was freezing rain. The freezing rain sticks to the electrical wires, makes them heavy and they finally collapse in places.

If a generator is connected when the lines are down then the person working on the line may get a surprise.

However I spoke to National Grid on the phone about supplying electricity to them and they are sending me a pamphlet about that. We will see what it says.

Saileik and Mokehinkha are bloggers on this board. They both indicate they live in Yangon. Saileik is a bill poster and may know people that can help.

I realize donors can help by buying solar panels and that would be helpful. However if I think about the future I prefer to work on a something that is self sustaining. The first step is the generator and the second is the power source. In terms of cost I understand wages in Myanmar can be 1,000 per day so I would expect a budget for this device to be around 500 kyat. The question is can the copper and magnets be bought for under 500 kyat for home assembly? If home assembly is possible could there be a business in making generators?

The furthest east I have been is Berlin. Never been to Thein Byu Zay.

nayting

UKM,

Thanks for the DVD. Maybe I will drop by your house? After all, I am in your neighboring states and it takes less than two hours to drive to NJ.

I think what you meant to say is “ the plant that produces electricity by using solar energy” as there will be no plant that can produce solar energy.

I myself am not an electrical engineer in fact I did not have the privilege to finish my degree in Myanmar but thanks to Colombo Plan, I did manage to get one.

I have the chance to enhance my knowledge about the solar energy when I was involved in a few projects starting from mid 2005. Maybe one of these days, will request reading books for the school project I am involved now.

I am not sure when this man made problems will be solved, will it ever be solved?

Yes, after Nargis, not only, people in Myanmar joined hands and worked together for the needy but also we have many MORE donors and NGOs coming in to assist people in needs. You know we have individuals and companies that gives money to build the houses but not as big as SPA/FMI or to build for the whole village.

Even before Nargis, we have people doing good works in Health, Education and Electricity in the rural areas but due to circumstance and restrictions, people in the city and the world were not aware of that. (Will discuss more with you at the later stages as I can visit AO every two or days only)

I know people like Serge Pan can do a lot for the country where he grew up and studied but according to my friends in SPA/FMI, they themselves are struggling with power shortage/outage in their Pan Hlaing hospital. The cost of running the generators at the hospital cost them in millions (kyats) everyday.

It is good to have met with the victims who has gone through the miseries and understand more of their hardship and I am sure that you will have more knowledge how to assist more for the needy.

I heard that the people from A-Lei-Kyun (Middle island) cannot pay back in time for their bi-monthly loan payment managed by GRAMEEN TRUST (Bangladesh) under OPS projects.

Did you have the chance to discuss or hear anything about that? Though I don’t know in detail, I heard that OPS have multi projects in Latputta, mawlamying gyun and Bogalay areas relating to health, education and micro credit.

Just curious, did you manage to travel up country especially in a remote area? If you do, then you will notice how people are doing and struggling for their daily needs. You will see the big changes when you travel on a train compare to your time.

Nayting,

FYI, the minimum wages is now at 2,000 even then people are reluctant to work at that wages.

With 500 kyat, you cannot even get good mokhinkha. Of course, you get VERY CHEAP MokHinKha AT ROAD SIDE.

Yes, VERY CHEAP MokeHinKha and NO GOOD MokeHinkha can be found at everywhere.

May be saileik/mokhinkha will help you and all you NEED is MONEY. Maybe you can ask Myint Lwin too and not to forget Thunderbolt. Remember that they said that they have sort of solar material.

BTW, I don’t think that you read the Burmese Newspaper, If you read the Burmese newspapers, maybe you will know better who is who in this forum.

Sure these people know all the people high above starting from our Senior General to the whole cabinet members as well as all the military commanders but the only problem is that people high above will never know who they are or know they even exit. Ha Ha Ha.
Truthseeker

Dear Myanmar Myo Chits, Patriots,

Someone said “ If you read the Burmese newspapers, maybe you will know better who is who in this forum.”

Just because you read Burmese newspapers you will know who is who in this forum? Is that why you are reading the newspapers, to know what is who better?

I could not believe what I am hearing, honestly. What are the connections in the forum and newspapers and who is who? I don‘t get it. I have no idea at all. That may be him. That may be for those who wants to know who is who. Especially for the one, who wants to know the truth.

But do you my dear Myanmar Myo Chits, Patriots, do you read newspapers to know who is who ? Or do you read the newspapers to find out what is happening in the world , what is happening in Myanmar, negative wise or positive wise? You are the people of highly intelligent. Are you not? Well, then.

We don’t read news papers just to know who is who. Why should I know some bpdy better. I can see what he/she is doing , good or bad, negative or positive. That is why I read papers, to have knowledge, to have educations to sharpen my common sense .

Who is who may be for idol worshippers. Nobody should read any newspapers to know who is who. They should read who is doing what for the people , they should read news papers to know who is doing what for the nation, whoever they may be. In that sense, you are worth it.

U Myint Lwin was kind enough and wise enough to publish Myama Alin (NLM)or Kyeymon ( Mirror) to let us know who is doing what , meaning what the government is doing what for the people , and for the nation.

U Myint Lwin should have done long ago, or more often on this site, to let those who are unfortunate to go to Myanmar to know what SPDC is doing for the people of Myanmar and for the nation of Myanmars. Progress and developments. U Myint Lwin must let all of us know that SPDC members are not going to Shwedagon Pagoda just to pray, doing nothing for the people and for the nation, critiquing everything what others are doing. .

We are no idol worshippers. We don‘t worship Than Shwe, Maung Aye or Thein Sein. We acknowledge and recognised those who does something good for the people, for the nation. We acknowledge and recognized those who contribute to the people and the nation.

We can differentiate those whose seeking popularity and those doing the right things, for the people and for the nation of Myanmars.

Democracy and human rights have to be properly valued , by the people of Myanmar . If we must have democracy it has to be the best one, not a fake democracy .

If it is human rights, these rights must be for all human beings on earth. They should neither be for one person. nor for one group of people nor only for one political party.

This is twenty first century. If someone wants to go back to the past 19th century nobody stopping him. he can go back without us, when one bowl of Mont Hin Gar was 50 Myanmar Pyas, with Akyaw of your choice and Be Ou I kilo of pork, or beef or mutton , or fish was only 5 Myanmar Kyats,

That was the time when majority of Myanmars were living in Bamboo huts with thatch roof. Majority of Myanmar don’t live in bamboo huts with thatch roof any more. Villages have become towns, town have become cities. Majority of Myanmars don’t travel in bullock carts any more, they are travelling in plans, railways and bus and cars, motor vessels, for distances.

Standard of living. decent jobs and decent incomes. Spending powers. money circulation , speculation and accumulation , etc, etc.

Oh Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed where are you all? Why are you forsaken this somebody. Why are you punishing him? Why don't you let him know the truth, real truth.

Regards,

Thunderbolts.

Truthseeker,

OK minimum wage is 2,000 kyat. The objective is to budget for a generator that everyone can afford. Let me assume 1,000 kyat? You say all that is needed is money but there is little "money". Myanmar is a very poor country. I like it when things that are based on profit because they are sustainable. That is a big advantage. So if I will think about this I would rather think in terms of profit than handouts.

If a small generator will be useful I wonder how many generators it would take to trade for some Chinese solar panels. Meaning some one could make a few generators and trade the additional ones for solar panels? Or even make a business out of it. Trade generators for money. Thunderbolts says Chinese generators can be bought for 200,000 kyat. Obviously out of reach for people making minimum wage but how much would a home made generator sell for that is configured to work with Chinese solar panels?

What is mokehinkha? Is it a drink or lunch? I would like to make some. How do you make it?

I didn't see a response from MokeHimKha. I am pleased to see Saileik back on the board. Maybe he will have an interest in generators. I will keep my eye open for Myint Lwin. As for the newspaper I read The New Light of Myanmar the other day but really am not much wiser. There were many photos of U Than Shwe at gatherings where he is conducting ceremonies and people seem to treat him with great respect and he seems to expect it. I wonder what would happen if someone told a joke during the photo? I read an article of a robber who broke into a restaurant just north of here and ate 300,000 kyats worth of lobster and drank a bottle of white wine, fell asleep, and was then caught. Makes me want to cook up a lobster for my own dinner. Truthseeker I can't help sense a note of sarcasm in your typing. I assume that is caused by the circumstances in Myanmar.

nayting

Nayting,

It always good and make one wiser who seeks knowledge.

I hope you don’t mind me cutting in your lively conversation with the other one. I know you are not use to or familiar with the word.

It is not your fault. Someone tried to confuse you. Intentionally mixing things up. Like he does always.

It is Mont - Hin -Gar , not Mokehimkha, my friend . Mont-Hin Gar is a everyday typical Myanmar food. Myanmars don’t do without it. But in South Eat Asia it is widely eaten, prepared in each individual taste of the people of the each individual nation.

Mokehimkha is a name of a parson, one of our members in AO.

Mont -Hin-Gar is white soft rice vermicelli , eaten with specially made fish soup, called Hin-Gar ( bitter or hot or sharp soup) .

Preparing this special fish soup is an art itself. The whole meal depends how well you prepare this soup. It is 24/7 as a starter, as a main course, as breakfast, as lunch, as dinner or as supper, not to mentioned as a snack for all ages.

For soup ingredients are, fish, fish souse, garlic, ginger, chilly, pepper corn, lemon grass, roasted rice powder , turmeric powder. And not to forget the cuttings of thinly sliced white banana stem.

Fresh coriander leaves, dried or roasted chilly powder, lemon juice and boiled eggs are extras. If preferred to go with any kind of fritter, onion, marrow, and others, will do very well.

You will like it. I am positive. If you say the word. Mont-Hin-Gar ,everyone knows you are a Myanmar. I know you are not Myanmar, you don't have to be, when you see knowledge or the truth.

Regards,

Thundrbolts.

Thunderbolts,

Thank you for your input Thunderbolts. I like the sound of Mont-Hin Gar. Sounds very tasty. I will try and make some with lobster. I have most of the ingredients already. I need to get some lemon grass and white banana stem and pick up a lobster.

nayting

nayting,

With Lobsters? It may be classy but it won't be like the Mont Hin Gar with fish I was talking about.

We have Ohn-No-Khautswe, coconut noddles, which normaly made with chicken, but some make it with shrimps. Your lobster will do fine for that dish. I think its " Luxer " it is called in SEA.

Yes , I understand everybody has his or her own taste and doing things in his or her own ways. That is the rights of every human beings. We have to respect that.

I have already given many examples in the past. Beef is beef no mater how you cook it, chicken will be chicken no matter how you prepare it.

If you visit one of the Myanmars families in Canada, they will prepare beef or chicken in their own typical Myanmar style, Myanmar's way. Try and taste them, they are nice, you will like it as well. You will also find, beef is beef with the natural taste of beef, , and chicken is chicken with the natural taste of chicken.

The important thing is we have to know beef is beef, chicken is chicken, lobster is lobster, shrimp is shrimp, we have to respect that, without any reservations. As beef flavoured, chicken flavoured, fake beef and fake chicken, imitation beef and imitation chicken as well are available at this time. The word " genuine" have to be there always. It is a necessity.

In politic , the main ingredient is "democracy". No matter how Myanmar prepare it, cook it , democracy will be democracy. Not too much chilly, not too much salt. Otherwise you will only get the taste of chilly and salt, the real natural taste of democracy will be gone.

Don't you worry, nayting, we Myanmars know how to do it. Democracy is nothing new to us. Just let no other cooks, spoil our dish and our broth. Like Mont Hin Gar and Ohn-No-Khautswe. They are already tasty as they are. We should not over cook them, over dress them.

Thanks again, regards,

Thunderbolts.

Too many cooks spoil the broth as the British saying goes. Let the Myanmar people find their own way to democracy or representative government and let other countries try to put their own houses in order first. That is the only way to create an environment of peace and harmony among the nations.

In the end, it all boils down to "self-determination and national sovereignty" one of the most basic principles of the United Nations.

Km